Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Whats the go with reversing lamps?
Are they required, cos i see alot of rigs around without them, just a blinker and a park/stop light?

Any info?
Cheers

They are a legal requirement and must be on vehicle, any without are illegal if they are registered and driven on road.

depends on the year of manufacture

pongo wrote:depends on the year of manufacture

Its a 90 model lux, not sure of month.
So its similar to window tinting, before a particular yr u can get as dark as u like...

I believe you can legally get away with only having one. But not totally sure. But why wouldn't you want a good reverser, they are very useful when reversing at night.

Highway-Star wrote:But why wouldn't you want a good reverser, they are very useful when reversing at night.

More useful for when you're reversing out of a carpark, so that people have a clue as to what your intentions are.

r0ck_m0nkey wrote:

Highway-Star wrote:But why wouldn't you want a good reverser, they are very useful when reversing at night.

More useful for when you're reversing out of a carpark, so that people have a clue as to what your intentions are.

Absolutly true!!!

Justinshere, if you are thinking of not having them, please think again. I'd rather people run illegal lift, wheels, etc before they run illegal lighting; lighting is very important, dont be skimpy.

you will find that if a vehicle does not have clear reverse lamps, when reverse is selected that both indicators come on (not blinking, but a constant light).

the ford utes only have 1 reverse lite, dont know why.

You will find that all new vehicles only have one reverse light.

I will have little spot lights there for night driving but due to my tray design i have very very limited space and whats avaliable is also limited. Its not really gunna be a truck that you'll see at carparks!

patrol with 6 kids wrote:You will find that all new vehicles only have one reverse light.

its a european thing to only have 1 reverse light, mostly because they use a fog light in the other spot i believe.

i took a car for a pink slip once and my reversing light's didnt work and he said it didnt matter if it work or not. and he passed it. i allways thought it had to work. and this bloke does blue slip as well.

to_easy wrote:i took a car for a pink slip once and my reversing light's didnt work and he said it didnt matter if it work or not. and he passed it. i allways thought it had to work. and this bloke does blue slip as well.

From memory they are not a requirement for passing a pink slip inspection in NSW. That said, they are worth having, makes other life much easier in car-parks etc.

Layto....

my GU only has one but i still want to hook up extra

From memory in NSW, you are not required to have them fitted.
However if they are fitted and dont work..thats a defect.

Same as a spare tyre..if its there and bald - defect, if its not there at all..its ok.

ADR 13/00

6.4. REVERSING LAMP
6.4.1. Presence
Mandatory on motor vehicles. Optional on trailers.
6.4.2. Number
One or two on all vehicles.
Optional: Additional one or two white fog lamps approved to Regulation No.19 on vehicles of category N2, N3, M2, M3, O2, O3
and O4.
6.4.3. Arrangement
No special requirement.
6.4.4. Position
6.4.4.1. In width: no special requirement.
6.4.4.2. In height: For M1 category vehicles no special requirement. For all other
categories of vehicles not less than 250mm nor more than 1200mm above
the ground
6.4.4.3. In length: at the back of the vehicle.
6.4.5. Geometric visibility
Defined by angles alpha and beta specified in paragraph 2.13.,
alpha= 15 degrees upwards and 5 degrees downwards,
beta= 45 degrees to right and to left if there is only one light,
45 degrees outwards and 30 degrees inwards if there are
two. In case of fog lamps approved to Reguration No.19:
alpha= 5 degrees upwards and downwards,
beta= 45 degrees outwards and inwards if there is only one lamp
45 degrees outwards and 10 degrees inwards if there are two
lamps.
6.4.6. Orientation
Rearwards.
6.4.7. Electrical connection
6.4.7.1. They shall be such that the lamp can light up only if the reverse gear is engaged and if
the device which controls the starting and stopping of the engine is in such a position
that operation of the engine is possible. It shall not light up or remain lit if either of the
above conditions is not satisfied.
6.4.7.2. When fog lamps approved to Regulation No.19 are mounted they shall be switched on
and off separately while at the same time the conditions of paragraph 6.4.7.1. remain
satisfied. When one of the conditions of paragraph 6.4.7.1. is no longer satisfied, the
lamp(s) shall be switched off, and remain off unitil the conditions of paragraph
6.4.7.1. are fulfilled and the lamp(s) are deliberately switched on again.
6.4.8. Tell-tale
Tell-tale optional.
6.4.9. Other requirements
None.

patrol with 6 kids wrote:You will find that all new vehicles only have one reverse light.

which is fuckin worthless in reality for reversing, or being any help in reversing.. it doesnt do anything useful 1x10w globe

Im with the others, why wouldnt you want them? I think the rules on OEM reversing lights should be overhauled, to be 2 x 181 hellas or similar light output and spread, so when that "person with no crayons" reverses they see your car before they hit it ...

bogged wrote:
Im with the others, why wouldnt you want them? I think the rules on OEM reversing lights should be overhauled, to be 2 x 181 hellas or similar light output and spread, so when that "person with no crayons" reverses they see your car before they hit it ...

bogged actually made a funnay

j-top paj wrote: bogged actually made a funnay

if it wasnt so fuckin stupid it would be funny.. pretty much every company I drove trailers for had good spotties on the backs of the trailers, and good worklights on the back of every Prime mover...

I hate not seeing where I'm reversing..

you were a steering wheel attendant?

j-top paj wrote:you were a steering wheel attendant?

nearly 10 yrs. mainly DGoods.. did the air freight gig for a while, and containers, but was mind numbingly fucking boring!

why you stop?

Shadow wrote:ADR 13/00

6.4. REVERSING LAMP
6.4.1. Presence
Mandatory on motor vehicles. Optional on trailers.
6.4.2. Number
One or two on all vehicles.
Optional: Additional one or two white fog lamps approved to Regulation No.19 on vehicles of category N2, N3, M2, M3, O2, O3
and O4.
6.4.3. Arrangement
No special requirement.
6.4.4. Position
6.4.4.1. In width: no special requirement.
6.4.4.2. In height: For M1 category vehicles no special requirement. For all other
categories of vehicles not less than 250mm nor more than 1200mm above
the ground
6.4.4.3. In length: at the back of the vehicle.
6.4.5. Geometric visibility
Defined by angles alpha and beta specified in paragraph 2.13.,
alpha= 15 degrees upwards and 5 degrees downwards,
beta= 45 degrees to right and to left if there is only one light,
45 degrees outwards and 30 degrees inwards if there are
two. In case of fog lamps approved to Reguration No.19:
alpha= 5 degrees upwards and downwards,
beta= 45 degrees outwards and inwards if there is only one lamp
45 degrees outwards and 10 degrees inwards if there are two
lamps.
6.4.6. Orientation
Rearwards.
6.4.7. Electrical connection
6.4.7.1. They shall be such that the lamp can light up only if the reverse gear is engaged and if
the device which controls the starting and stopping of the engine is in such a position
that operation of the engine is possible. It shall not light up or remain lit if either of the
above conditions is not satisfied.
6.4.7.2. When fog lamps approved to Regulation No.19 are mounted they shall be switched on
and off separately while at the same time the conditions of paragraph 6.4.7.1. remain
satisfied. When one of the conditions of paragraph 6.4.7.1. is no longer satisfied, the
lamp(s) shall be switched off, and remain off unitil the conditions of paragraph
6.4.7.1. are fulfilled and the lamp(s) are deliberately switched on again.
6.4.8. Tell-tale
Tell-tale optional.
6.4.9. Other requirements
None.

Correct, they have to be there according to ADR's. BUT, when a pink slip is carried out, compliance to these ADR's re not checked, so even though you should have it, on a pink slip its not checked, therefore not a failable offence. Stupid i know, but thats the way it works


Layto....

lay80n wrote:

Shadow wrote:ADR 13/00

6.4. REVERSING LAMP
6.4.1. Presence
Mandatory on motor vehicles. Optional on trailers.
6.4.2. Number
One or two on all vehicles.
Optional: Additional one or two white fog lamps approved to Regulation No.19 on vehicles of category N2, N3, M2, M3, O2, O3
and O4.
6.4.3. Arrangement
No special requirement.
6.4.4. Position
6.4.4.1. In width: no special requirement.
6.4.4.2. In height: For M1 category vehicles no special requirement. For all other
categories of vehicles not less than 250mm nor more than 1200mm above
the ground
6.4.4.3. In length: at the back of the vehicle.
6.4.5. Geometric visibility
Defined by angles alpha and beta specified in paragraph 2.13.,
alpha= 15 degrees upwards and 5 degrees downwards,
beta= 45 degrees to right and to left if there is only one light,
45 degrees outwards and 30 degrees inwards if there are
two. In case of fog lamps approved to Reguration No.19:
alpha= 5 degrees upwards and downwards,
beta= 45 degrees outwards and inwards if there is only one lamp
45 degrees outwards and 10 degrees inwards if there are two
lamps.
6.4.6. Orientation
Rearwards.
6.4.7. Electrical connection
6.4.7.1. They shall be such that the lamp can light up only if the reverse gear is engaged and if
the device which controls the starting and stopping of the engine is in such a position
that operation of the engine is possible. It shall not light up or remain lit if either of the
above conditions is not satisfied.
6.4.7.2. When fog lamps approved to Regulation No.19 are mounted they shall be switched on
and off separately while at the same time the conditions of paragraph 6.4.7.1. remain
satisfied. When one of the conditions of paragraph 6.4.7.1. is no longer satisfied, the
lamp(s) shall be switched off, and remain off unitil the conditions of paragraph
6.4.7.1. are fulfilled and the lamp(s) are deliberately switched on again.
6.4.8. Tell-tale
Tell-tale optional.
6.4.9. Other requirements
None.

Correct, they have to be there according to ADR's. BUT, when a pink slip is carried out, compliance to these ADR's re not checked, so even though you should have it, on a pink slip its not checked, therefore not a failable offence. Stupid i know, but thats the way it works


Layto....

Just because its not checked doesnt mean it doesnt need to be fitted and working to comply.

Its impossible to check every single ADR in a reasonable time frame, so they focus on main ones.

It is 100% a fail on your pink slip, if they actually notice, and care.

All vehicles are required to be in a roadworthy state for a pink slip, no reverse light = unroadworthy = fail.

j-top paj wrote:why you stop?

its a Cookie of a job most of the time, some companies really look after you well, but 10x18hr days out of 12 and then told to take pills and keep going.. time for a career change.. and did

With the ADRs it mentions additional fog lights.

What about "work lights" as I want to mount a pair of cheapies on the back end of my roof rails for reversing but wired in seperately so I have to switch the lights on/off manually. Also I want to be able to use them as "work lights" and not just as reversing lights.

Is this legit and do I have to wire it in through the reversing switch?

Shadow wrote:

lay80n wrote:

Shadow wrote:ADR 13/00

6.4. REVERSING LAMP
6.4.1. Presence
Mandatory on motor vehicles. Optional on trailers.
6.4.2. Number
One or two on all vehicles.
Optional: Additional one or two white fog lamps approved to Regulation No.19 on vehicles of category N2, N3, M2, M3, O2, O3
and O4.
6.4.3. Arrangement
No special requirement.
6.4.4. Position
6.4.4.1. In width: no special requirement.
6.4.4.2. In height: For M1 category vehicles no special requirement. For all other
categories of vehicles not less than 250mm nor more than 1200mm above
the ground
6.4.4.3. In length: at the back of the vehicle.
6.4.5. Geometric visibility
Defined by angles alpha and beta specified in paragraph 2.13.,
alpha= 15 degrees upwards and 5 degrees downwards,
beta= 45 degrees to right and to left if there is only one light,
45 degrees outwards and 30 degrees inwards if there are
two. In case of fog lamps approved to Reguration No.19:
alpha= 5 degrees upwards and downwards,
beta= 45 degrees outwards and inwards if there is only one lamp
45 degrees outwards and 10 degrees inwards if there are two
lamps.
6.4.6. Orientation
Rearwards.
6.4.7. Electrical connection
6.4.7.1. They shall be such that the lamp can light up only if the reverse gear is engaged and if
the device which controls the starting and stopping of the engine is in such a position
that operation of the engine is possible. It shall not light up or remain lit if either of the
above conditions is not satisfied.
6.4.7.2. When fog lamps approved to Regulation No.19 are mounted they shall be switched on
and off separately while at the same time the conditions of paragraph 6.4.7.1. remain
satisfied. When one of the conditions of paragraph 6.4.7.1. is no longer satisfied, the
lamp(s) shall be switched off, and remain off unitil the conditions of paragraph
6.4.7.1. are fulfilled and the lamp(s) are deliberately switched on again.
6.4.8. Tell-tale
Tell-tale optional.
6.4.9. Other requirements
None.

Correct, they have to be there according to ADR's. BUT, when a pink slip is carried out, compliance to these ADR's re not checked, so even though you should have it, on a pink slip its not checked, therefore not a failable offence. Stupid i know, but thats the way it works


Layto....

Just because its not checked doesnt mean it doesnt need to be fitted and working to comply.

Its impossible to check every single ADR in a reasonable time frame, so they focus on main ones.

It is 100% a fail on your pink slip, if they actually notice, and care.

All vehicles are required to be in a roadworthy state for a pink slip, no reverse light = unroadworthy = fail.

I do pink slips all day everyday and reverse lights do not have to work there is no fail item in the online rego inspection to tick for reverse lights if they dont work