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hey, I don't know heaps about off roading, but I've got a goal to go extreme in raising a vehicle not nesscessary for heaps off hardcore roading. I've previously conducted work experience at chaos 4x4 (great guys), and notice that 8 inch lift in springs is common. However I would be interested in putting an 8 inch lift, with 2 inch body lift, extended shackles, and putting another 4 inches in body blocks, and running 35's or 37's. If anyone has any suggestions, positive or adverse or has any idea on costing I would be keen to hear from you.

Also, is the following mods legal in NSW and can u go any higher!!! (remember I have a budget).

Basically i want to be the biggest lux in town

Kindest Regards eddie

Errr I think you are on the wrong forum.
You need to go find a mall cruising forum not an off road one.

Lifting a 4WD that high is unessesary and not too safe either but if you want to go ahead but you will NEVER get it engineered with the sort of lift you are talking about.

Like I said if you are determined, DO IT and then post some pics up on here so we have a chuckle at someone who wasted there money

Sorry if I sound harsh but I think what you want is about a 4-6 inch lift to clear those tyres easily and not look totally GAY!
Paul.

mwhitfield_2000 wrote:hey, I don't know heaps about off roading, but I've got a goal to go extreme in raising a vehicle not nesscessary for heaps off hardcore roading. I've previously conducted work experience at chaos 4x4 (great guys), and notice that 8 inch lift in springs is common. However I would be interested in putting an 8 inch lift, with 2 inch body lift, extended shackles, and putting another 4 inches in body blocks, and running 35's or 37's. If anyone has any suggestions, positive or adverse or has any idea on costing I would be keen to hear from you.

Also, is the following mods legal in NSW and can u go any higher!!! (remember I have a budget).

Basically i want to be the biggest lux in town

Kindest Regards eddie

bahaha are you for real?
or are you trying to bag chaos?

prepare for flamage!

Obviously you guys misunderstood what i meant or you can read properly
I want a big Hilux which has the capability to go anywhere and when i mean hardcore offroad i mean like US style of extreme off road (look at some pic's some time then you know what i mean by hardcore)

So cut the crap and help me out or bugger off

I said i intended to go big maybe not 8 inch lift but something that is huge and does the stuff

Cheers Eddie

you wont need that much lift to clear even 37's

that much lift will actually put you at a disadvantage offroad, it just adds to the wank factor...

like Gonzo said you`ll will only need 4 to 6"`s in lift to fit 37" any bigger you`ll kill your self offroad.A bloke in the for sale section is selling or sold a 4runner that is about 16" over standard with 35"s pretty sure he will tell you not to do it.
And if you have another good look at the US trucks they have about 4" at the most and fit 38"s

dude with that much lift u will clear 44's easy

i fit tyres 8" bigger than standard with 2" body lift, lots of cutting and NO suspension lift.

look at rigs like hypolux and ruff, they are very close to all the luxs in the states, they arnt really that big, if you want a big rig with 8" lifted leafs, its not going to flex it will just be tippy and shit, also your talking some serious $$ for a big lift like you want, and good luck getting it enginered.
Keep it low cut the guards for bigger tyres.

you will only learn from your mistakes so have a go at it

spazbot wrote:look at rigs like hypolux and ruff, they are very close to all the luxs in the states, they arnt really that big, if you want a big rig with 8" lifted leafs, its not going to flex it will just be tippy and shit, also your talking some serious $$ for a big lift like you want, and good luck getting it enginered.
Keep it low cut the guards for bigger tyres.

Hypo's rig is 4" taller than mine and im on 38"TSLs. Im trying to get at least another 2" lower yet. My tyres dont scrub the body anywhere.

i see the question you are asking but you asked it in the wrong context.

the question should have been.........

How do i get a workable lift to fit 37+ tyres, have it ride and flex well offroad, will i get it engineered?


not.....

I am hardcore and like chrome


anyways, i think it comes down to how much of the work you can do yourself, or how much your mates can help you with, if you want leafs or coils and how much you are willing to spend.

I currently have about 8 inches of lift and nicely clear 35's in the rear, i have the front axle about 5 inches forward and fibre flair guards so they fit easy on the front. My lift in the front consists of trailtough 2 inch drop hangers, 3 inch superlift front leafs and ford shock towers with rancho rsx shocks. In the rear i have GU Patrol 7 inch lift coils with an A frame setup and rancho rsx shocks. On top of that i have a 2 inch body lift.

In total i would have spent about 1300 dollars building this suspension, i am yet to drive it but believe it should reasonably well.

I also have a wide track rear housing, IFS hub spacers and X-over steering which you should budget for.

NICK

Hey thanks all for your replies!!, it may sound like an extreme/stupid concept but just wanted to get general feedback.

However, someone mentioned about a 4 runner with 16 inches above standard, where can i see a picture and is it still for sale??. Also what dollars are we talking about when it comes to 6 or 8 inches of lift, and what does the lift include, i,e high steering arms etc.

Thanks heaps

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... surfection

thats the surf, reads the top section , that explains most things, it needs some work to get finished and enginerred

I think their refering to Gruntless' 4Runner with the 16" lift over standard.

John

Why not lower it instead Just as useful

If you must do it then how about a 6" spring 4" body combo? Will be heaps high (tyres will lift it too remember) and have all the wank factor you want but still pliable on/ off road to a decent extent.

Just comprimise a little, it will still be one of the "biggest" luxes about but won't be completely crap. Most of the things we do to our rigs are a comprimise if you think about it due to laws/ physics/ budget etc.

in theory, for every inch of lift you do, tyres you can fit will be 2 inches larger diameter than previous. say you can fit 31s comfortable, therefor 8 inchs of lift, you could fit 16 inch larger diameter tyres. making your new comfortable tyres 47 inchs in dia. (obviously your guards wont allow this, but i did say in theory and you can always get the grinder out)

is the extended shackles, and 2inch bodylift included in the 8 inchs lift or are they after 8 inch lift springs are put on? whats the 4 inch body blocks for if youve already got 2 inch ones there? you gonna make 6 inch bodylift?

the idea of lifting is mainly to fit bigger tyres. keep it as low as you can to keep the centre of gravity down. choose a tyre size, then build your suspension around that. BTW extended shackles are illegal.

hope any of this gives you a better idea of where people are comin from.

I like the sound of your suggestions, would this be a a good approach. a 6 inch lift, 2 inch body, 2 inch shackle and running 37's.

My first question will this stand out as a huge truck and secondly what prices are we talking about to do the above mods. Also is this legal and is it able to get enginenered. Any help appreciated, what good deals are avaliable out their???

longer shackles are illegal.

yes it would look like a big truck.

put the 2 inch bodylift in, buy the 37s, then work out how much more you need to go. youd probably only need around 3 or 4inch. remember the 37s will lift it too. 37s are big for on road tyres. just get them and work around it. only do as much as you have to.

its gonna be a bumpy ride with 6 inch lift springs. do you have the hilux now? what size tyres are on it? how much room is there between the top of the tyre and the guard at the moment?

I like the sound of your suggestions, would this be a a good approach. a 6 inch lift, 2 inch body, 2 inch shackle and running 37's.

My first question will this stand out as a huge truck and secondly what prices are we talking about to do the above mods. Also is this legal and is it able to get enginenered. Any help appreciated, what good deals are avaliable out their???

Would work ok I think but to get 2 inch lift from shackles are they extended just 2 inch or 4", someone else can clarify this I'm sure.

It will stand out but won't be engineerable due to extended shackles.

yes every 1" of extension in the shackles only equates to 1/2" of lift

what about, 6in in the springs, 3 in the body, 2 in the shackles and 8 in the portals.............TOTAL 19inch


NICK

thanks all for your replys I'm now taking consideration of what u all say, its been a great help!!! (THANK YOU)

I've viewed the BIG balls offraod site, and noticed they do a 4 inch suspension lift for around $2,800. I've scrapped the 8 inch idea it doesn't sound like a good idea. Can I have suggestions on a 6 inch lift and pricing and can someone explain to me if extended shackles are legal, and can it be enginered, cause someone said that wheel spacers can't been enginered what the is the story on both wheel spacers and extended shackles.

Thanks all eddie

Nick I noticed u gave me a total of 19 inches of lift, from your reply. What does portals mean you said it would give 8 inches. What price would that cost to do 6 inch, 3 body and 2 in shackels and 8 inch in portals. I like this, i wouldn't do a 3 body but keep talking you've got me interested, thanks NICK

portals arnt really an option, they are drop axles like used in army trucks. they cost around 5-8000 a pair and probably another 4-5000 to get them in and working.

What i would do if i were you, and im sure most other will agree im some form...............


drop front hangers 150 bucks, or 350 fitted. Use the rear springs you have now and put them in the front, this along with drop hangers will give you about 4-5 inches of lift and work really well. budget 200 bucks per shock for the front and 175 for a pair of towers, 200 for shackles. you will need longer brakes lines and drive shaft lengthing so add 200.

so you front end will cost $1125 and add 1500 for cross over, so 2600 for the front end and it will work really really well.

In the rear i would IFS toyota springs at 150 a pair, 2 inch lift blocks and extended shackles, budget 200 for each shock.

rear end, total of $550 and add 300 more for a bodylift

so the total would be 1975 dollars and you would have something that works really well of road and get the look that you are after.

or if you only want lift get rancho front springs which will give 6 inch and 3 inch in the rear with a block.

i personally wouldnt buy an off the shelf kit.


NICK

383FJ45 wrote: BTW extended shackles are illegal.

Are they coz i got mine engineered (2" extend).............

Wheel spacers are for offroad use only, which means you take them off when you are crusing the shopping cetners and maccas carparks (sounds like most of the time)
When you go off road you just put them on....

you can engineer spacers, but you could do a IFS diff swap in the rear and get a extra few inches wider than standard, and also do a ifs hub swap on the front for another 1.5" per side wider.

Also your going to want some added traction like lockers so there is another 2k
bigger meats like 37's will need taller gears in the diffs so thats another $500 if you can install em yourself and use 2nd hand ones.

Also you'll prolly start busting lots of CVs so thats another $800 for longs.

3" body lift can be a real pain in the ass aswell, most engineers only like 2" max. at 3" you have to start to modify lots of bits to make everything work. unless you plan on doing a 2" engine and tranny lift.

Do you have your hilux already??
you are looking at some serious $$ to get the rig you want
What do you drive atm ?
whats your driving level at, there is no use having the worlds biggest hardcore truck if you cant drive it to its full potential.
better off slowly working your way up bit by bit, get to know your rig and how it behaves.

who knows what e-mail address is for chaos 4x4, their e-mail address not their web site, anyone??

Why not just go with a 10inch body lift

Or better still just put 10 inch lift blocks in the front and rear

If your going to fit 37`s bring the front diff forward 2" and get cross over steer you will need a IFS power steer box.