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whats a g16a long motor woth these days to put in sierra?
I've searched and searched probably not hard enough but...

markill had one.$500
jason

1600 front cut

I don't think i need a front cut I'm doing the conversion for a friend and want to give an idea on total cost. im installing a g16a carb engine (keep things simple) I thought $500 for the engine, $200 for the conversion plate from NZ, $300 for odd bits and pieces eg, hoses clamps etc, Ill see how i go with the body lift how close the bonnet actully is to the air intake.
not going fuel injection as i won't be around to iron out fine tuning problems it needs to be installed a few test runs than I'll give it back to her.

If you get the proper adaptor kit it should come with diferent engine mounts, well modified ones anyways. if it has the modified engine mounts then you shouldn't have to do a body lift. yeah they look cool but not realy suited to the sierra's as they tend to roll over easy anyway. body lifts are for people that want BIG tyres but dont want to cut the guards up!

Danzo where can i get the "proper" adaptor kit i really wan tto avoid body lifts if i can.
I've found a 1.6 from a swift which i might start with.
surly sumps, manifolds and other bits can be used from the 1.3 motor to build what i need.

BenT adapters work good and inc the engine adapter kit plates.

I have one in my zook. i do agree a BL is easier to fit the mpfi version thou

contact suzisport on: 07 38087639
there are other kits, and some of them you still need the body lift but the kit that suzisport use does not need the body lift as it lowers the engine enough so you dont need a body lift. or to cut your bonnet up, its actually ilegal to cut the reinforcement under your bonnet. a friend found this out the hard way

I agree that a body lift is needed if doing the efi conversion unless you are good with a welder and making your own manifold up.
but if you only have the basic tools and dont want to spend all day doing a body lift then these are a good alternative

Thanks danzo and everyone else on the tips ill make some phone calls than start getting my hands dirty, theres only one real way to learn i guess thats to get into it!

I'm not a mechanic and dont try to be one just offering my experience and 2c

Before doing any major mods to mine I always get 3 opinions and then think it over,

Having a body lift definately makes a 1600 install easier, but there are ways round it.

A late model (2001) coil on plug Baleno motor will fit wihout a body lift (in a coily at least) as the intake manifold is front facing, and nice and low. They do take a bit more work to install, as a water pipe has to be made to bring the water from the back of the head forward to the radiator top hose. Nice motor though.

I've seen a carbed motor fitted without a body lift with some trimming of the bonnet and air-cleaner hat.

Some extra clearance can be gained by cutting out the bonnet re-inforcing ribs, spacing up the rubber bonnet stoppers, and shimming up the front of the clip, which may well squeeze in a 8V efi, or possibly a 16V efi.

Ben

gman79au wrote:Danzo where can i get the "proper" adaptor kit i really wan tto avoid body lifts if i can.
I've found a 1.6 from a swift which i might start with.
surly sumps, manifolds and other bits can be used from the 1.3 motor to build what i need.

if you got a 1.6 from a swift , you better be prepared to bolt your sierra head to the bottom end , first of all the ports are different , the cam is different , theres no provision for a fuel pump ,the pistons are different (unsure of what would happen with the 8 valve head and 16 valve flycut pistons), the 1.6 swift engine came from the glx in the swift sedan it was a 16 valve sohc , single point fuel injected motor. so many things wrong there ....

ben , your adaptor kit looks like its a good deal at the price . Im curious , does your mounts not accomodate fitting without mods to make the bonnet close? also what are the 2 thick washers used for ?
Would you sell the bellhousing adaptor plate alone , and if so at what price?

suzimad wrote:ben , your adaptor kit looks like its a good deal at the price . Im curious , does your mounts not accomodate fitting without mods to make the bonnet close? also what are the 2 thick washers used for ?
Would you sell the bellhousing adaptor plate alone , and if so at what price?

My kit uses the stock 1300 engine mount brackets. The thick washers are to go under two of the bolts on the LH side mount bracket, as the pedestals are different heights on the 1600 block vs the 1300.
The engine mount adaptor goes on the RH side and accounts for the engine mount bolts being in a different position fore/aft on the 1600 block.

If you don't have a body lift then it will require some fudging to close the bonnet. Most zuks seem to get a body lift though it seems as I've sold quite a few kits, and most of the trucks they went into have had bodylifts in them.

I have thought about offering optional engine lowering mounts to make it really easy to clear the bonnet with no body lift, and if there's enough interest I could look into it..

If you want to make your own mounts to lower your engine and just want a kit without an engine mount adaptor, I could work something out. If so, shoot us a PM.

Ben

suzimad wrote:

gman79au wrote:Danzo where can i get the "proper" adaptor kit i really wan tto avoid body lifts if i can.
I've found a 1.6 from a swift which i might start with.
surly sumps, manifolds and other bits can be used from the 1.3 motor to build what i need.

if you got a 1.6 from a swift , you better be prepared to bolt your sierra head to the bottom end , first of all the ports are different , the cam is different , theres no provision for a fuel pump ,the pistons are different (unsure of what would happen with the 8 valve head and 16 valve flycut pistons), the 1.6 swift engine came from the glx in the swift sedan it was a 16 valve sohc , single point fuel injected motor. so many things wrong there ....

Suzimad is right... be carefull getting a swift 1600. They have a whole host of stuff that needs changing, with the main problem being the dizzy comes straight back out of the head, with no angle drive.
You end up having to change all sorts of crap over, and its often cheaper to just buy a vitara motor in the first place.
The later model Baleno G16 coil on plug motors are much better as they have no dizzy to worry about.

Ben

thanks guys the swift motor advitised turns out its a 1.3!! no wonder it was only $300!, what i am learning is g16a engines are hard to come by it would be interesting how many sierras are using them cause there not in the wreaking yards! not the ones I've rang any way, I've got a G13bb bolted to a gearbox with loom, computer everything needed with 80k on it, but but my projects owner says they want a 1.6! bit of a bugger really.

The g16 is the motor that should always have been in the Sierra in my opinion, it makes it so much better to drive as you dont have to wring it's neck to get it anywhere and the increase in torque across the rev range is nice.
With the carb motor you can fit it without a bodylift, and without cutting any ribs etc, you simply drill some new locating holes in the driver side engine bracket (the cast iron one) for the engine mounting rubber.

why not include the dodge 318 mounts or people can install those instead.. last longer due to them designed for larger setups. and they are a lower profile..

hey ben is the baleno motor a 1.8 I've seen some on ebay which are 1.8 i know very little about the baleno but will give it a go.

smileysmoke wrote:why not include the dodge 318 mounts or people can install those instead.. last longer due to them designed for larger setups. and they are a lower profile..

Yeah, I have seen these mounts used in the US. Will have to get some and look into how well they work.

gman79au wrote:hey ben is the baleno motor a 1.8 I've seen some on ebay which are 1.8 i know very little about the baleno but will give it a go.

The Baleno I've used was a G16 1.6. Some Baleno's do have J18 motors which are 1.8. These will bolt up to the gearbox with the adaptor plate, but the crank has a different bolt pattern, so the flywheel will need mods. The engine mounts are also different.

There are kits available to install these and J20's from the states.

Ben

sorry to drop in but here is a g16 bottom end in for sale section$300 and i have a complete reco'd 8 valve g16a head spare.for $350 ono
grab a kit from benT use your carby / exhaust or go a weber / extractors and your off and racing for around a grand pm if interested

I just wanted to add to this that the conversion is full steam ahead and thanks to everyone who has shared there experiences on this forum on this thread and all that ive searched too it been awsome!! this is not a gonna project its nearly a done project

back it up with some pics if you can dude

BenT wrote:

suzimad wrote:

gman79au wrote:Danzo where can i get the "proper" adaptor kit i really wan tto avoid body lifts if i can.
I've found a 1.6 from a swift which i might start with.
surly sumps, manifolds and other bits can be used from the 1.3 motor to build what i need.

if you got a 1.6 from a swift , you better be prepared to bolt your sierra head to the bottom end , first of all the ports are different , the cam is different , theres no provision for a fuel pump ,the pistons are different (unsure of what would happen with the 8 valve head and 16 valve flycut pistons), the 1.6 swift engine came from the glx in the swift sedan it was a 16 valve sohc , single point fuel injected motor. so many things wrong there ....

Suzimad is right... be carefull getting a swift 1600. They have a whole host of stuff that needs changing, with the main problem being the dizzy comes straight back out of the head, with no angle drive.
You end up having to change all sorts of crap over, and its often cheaper to just buy a vitara motor in the first place.
The later model Baleno G16 coil on plug motors are much better as they have no dizzy to worry about.


Ben

The only thing that needs changing is to put a vitara 16v cam and dizzy into it. I have done it twice and as for an adaptor you dont have to get one you can also just redrill the engine too suit.

yeah its cool BenT's adapter is going in Ive got a G16a/b ( its wierd cause it has G16a on the gearbox end and G16b in the engine number!) but it had a 16 valve head on it from techy, tracked down all the nessasary brackets and pick up etc, G13ba head going on it which is being recoed and original G13ba manifolds and carby is being used as of next weekend the beast will breath Gregs body lift also is going in. I love working on Suzi's!

Good to hear is all steam ahead
Post some pics if ya can.

ZOOK60 wrote:

BenT wrote:

suzimad wrote:

gman79au wrote:Danzo where can i get the "proper" adaptor kit i really wan tto avoid body lifts if i can.
I've found a 1.6 from a swift which i might start with.
surly sumps, manifolds and other bits can be used from the 1.3 motor to build what i need.

if you got a 1.6 from a swift , you better be prepared to bolt your sierra head to the bottom end , first of all the ports are different , the cam is different , theres no provision for a fuel pump ,the pistons are different (unsure of what would happen with the 8 valve head and 16 valve flycut pistons), the 1.6 swift engine came from the glx in the swift sedan it was a 16 valve sohc , single point fuel injected motor. so many things wrong there ....

Suzimad is right... be carefull getting a swift 1600. They have a whole host of stuff that needs changing, with the main problem being the dizzy comes straight back out of the head, with no angle drive.
You end up having to change all sorts of crap over, and its often cheaper to just buy a vitara motor in the first place.
The later model Baleno G16 coil on plug motors are much better as they have no dizzy to worry about.


Ben

The only thing that needs changing is to put a vitara 16v cam and dizzy into it. I have done it twice and as for an adaptor you dont have to get one you can also just redrill the engine too suit.

jeez dude im not sure what head you used because it isnt a 1600 swift head , cause they are oval ports , if it helps you out i can do some ms paints of the shapes of ports on the various heads , hell ill even take some pictures for you , or maybe better still you can give me some of the drugs you are on and ill start thinking the port shapes and sizes are interchangeable also.

Ha yeah no worries suzimad, You can have some of my drugs If it helps you thats cool hehe, but yeah I understand about the swift heads. I'm using the head off the original 1.3 engine from the sierra its been bolted to a G16a/b block (depending where you want to read the number) it does become an interference engine but hey as long as that timing belt keeps doing its job there should be no problems, sierra flywheel and clutch, vitara alternator bracket, custom timing cover, modified the sierra harmonic balancer, modified sierra sump, half 1.3/1.6 oil pick up still building so more fun to be had yet.

gman79au wrote: modified the sierra harmonic balancer,

Mmmmmm where is this

i must have forgot to put mine on