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On the weeked my G60 wouldnt start and at 1st thought was suspected starter motor. Then looked like it was a flat battery after it started to crank after charging teh battery

Well got home and hooked up the jumper leads and started up the beast. Checked the voltage and me alternator is stuffed. Getting same output voltage as battery.

I admit I like my Fords but dont have a clue what model ford crossflow engine this is. My mate reckons a xb vintage but personally no idea.

I'd rather get a alternator of the same model to bolt straight up.

HELP anyone

if the bottom bracket is it
single bolt is xa-xd, cortina
2 bolt is xe/f

if its 2 bolt get a xf efi alt there 55amp rather than 40 for the rest

pcman wrote:if the bottom bracket is it
single bolt is xa-xd, cortina
2 bolt is xe/f

if its 2 bolt get a xf efi alt there 55amp rather than 40 for the rest

I guess that is a 2 bolt, but it looks like 1 long bolt ???????

Thanks

looks to be a early cast iron head to me...

That would be a 250 from cortina and early falcon (pre XE)

As pointed out, it appears to have a cast iron head, not alloy as found in XE falcons onwards.

Should be a piece of cake to find another one, theyre a dime a dozen

tj81 wrote:That would be a 250 from cortina and early falcon (pre XE)

As pointed out, it appears to have a cast iron head, not alloy as found in XE falcons onwards.

Should be a piece of cake to find another one, theyre a dime a dozen

Thanks guys, you all been a big help

tj81 wrote:That would be a 250 from cortina and early falcon (pre XE)

As pointed out, it appears to have a cast iron head, not alloy as found in XE falcons onwards.

Should be a piece of cake to find another one, theyre a dime a dozen

most XD's had alloy heads too.

yeah i think your right, i couldnt remember the exact year they brought them in, so i figured i was safe with the XE

Eddy has said http://www.rmp-o.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1070

Cast Iron head is either XC or XD. Later XD onward alloy head.
Almost all 6cyl Falcons from 71 through to 88 have the same alternator.

Swerve wrote:Eddy has said http://www.rmp-o.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1070

Cast Iron head is either XC or XD. Later XD onward alloy head.
Almost all 6cyl Falcons from 71 through to 88 have the same alternator.

^^^^^x2 its either XC or early XD---79, very early 80 XD

Cast iron crossflow head

cloughy wrote:

Swerve wrote:Eddy has said http://www.rmp-o.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1070

Cast Iron head is either XC or XD. Later XD onward alloy head.
Almost all 6cyl Falcons from 71 through to 88 have the same alternator.

^^^^^x2 its either XC or early XD---79, very early 80 XD

Cast iron crossflow head

are you sure on that? the cast head crossflow i got my conversion kit off of had the same alt as theone in the pic, whereas the alloy head in the 40 has a different alternator, which is the same as the one in my XE

bad_religion_au wrote:

are you sure on that? the cast head crossflow i got my conversion kit off of had the same alt as the one in the pic, whereas the alloy head in the 40 has a different alternator, which is the same as the one in my XE

I did say "almost all"

The engine from my 73 ute is sitting in the shed with that alt upon it, I have another 2 alts in the shed from assorted 70s Falcons, the 81 iron head in my G60 has that alt, my XY, 2 XAs, XB, XD, XE, 3 EAs had it, as did my TD Tincorna and my current EA. I also had an XD ute with a different alternator.

So ... yeah ... pretty sure


That same alt is also fitted to my Leyland Terrier truck, and my son's 720 datto ute. Also had the same on my 302 XA coupe and my 289 XR.

Eddy wrote:

bad_religion_au wrote:

are you sure on that? the cast head crossflow i got my conversion kit off of had the same alt as the one in the pic, whereas the alloy head in the 40 has a different alternator, which is the same as the one in my XE

I did say "almost all"

The engine from my 73 ute is sitting in the shed with that alt upon it, I have another 2 alts in the shed from assorted 70s Falcons, the 81 iron head in my G60 has that alt, my XY, 2 XAs, XB, XD, XE, 3 EAs had it, as did my TD Tincorna and my current EA. I also had an XD ute with a different alternator.

So ... yeah ... pretty sure


That same alt is also fitted to my Leyland Terrier truck, and my son's 720 datto ute. Also had the same on my 302 XA coupe and my 289 XR.

Go eddy, I know you have the space, but this just proves you have to many cars

Swerve wrote:
Go eddy, I know you have the space, but this just proves you have to many cars

oi ... most o'them are past tense ...

Eddy wrote:

Swerve wrote:
Go eddy, I know you have the space, but this just proves you have to many cars

oi ... most o'them are past tense ...

Watch it Eddy, I've got a few photos

chimpboy wrote:

Eddy wrote:

Swerve wrote:
Go eddy, I know you have the space, but this just proves you have to many cars

oi ... most o'them are past tense ...

Watch it Eddy, I've got a few photos

yeah ... been waiting to see them ...

It will be an XC crossflow, and the blue rocker cover makes it a 200 Cui, 250s had red rocker covers.

XDs on had black or silver rocker covers I think, but it's been a while.

Cheers

This all means there's a nice bolt-in engine upgrade to be had doesn't it?

Thats certainly not a 200ci

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Straight-6_engine

Theres a list of all falcon 6 engines and their capacities. (3/4 down page)

At the top of the page on the right you can see a 170 straight 6, this is more like what the 200 ci looks like.

Your right chimp, would be a great time to whack in a later model ford 6, as it should pretty much bolt straight in ! ED 4.0 MPFI, would need manual computer, and pre smartlock. not too difficult, and fairly easy to get hold of too.

Struth wrote:... the blue rocker cover makes it a 200 Cui, 250s had red rocker covers.

yup ... do believe you're right.

tj81 wrote:Thats certainly not a 200ci

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Straight-6_engine

Theres a list of all falcon 6 engines and their capacities. (3/4 down page)

At the top of the page on the right you can see a 170 straight 6, this is more like what the 200 ci looks like.

Your right chimp, would be a great time to whack in a later model ford 6, as it should pretty much bolt straight in ! ED 4.0 MPFI, would need manual computer, and pre smartlock. not too difficult, and fairly easy to get hold of too.

Ahhh the joys of internet education

Its a 200ci crossflow. looks just like a 250 with a smaller stroke

200 came in both pre-crossflow and crossflow heads, even up to alloy head 2

EA on as your suggesting have a different bellhousing pattern and slightly different engine mounting hole

Just need a computer, as one from an auto will run either

And pre smartlock wouldn't come from an ED would it

Struth wrote:It will be an XC crossflow, and the blue rocker cover makes it a 200 Cui, 250s had red rocker covers.

XDs on had black or silver rocker covers I think, but it's been a while.

Cheers

Iron head crossflow in the XD still had blue rocker covers

cloughy wrote:

tj81 wrote:Thats certainly not a 200ci

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Straight-6_engine

Theres a list of all falcon 6 engines and their capacities. (3/4 down page)

At the top of the page on the right you can see a 170 straight 6, this is more like what the 200 ci looks like.

Your right chimp, would be a great time to whack in a later model ford 6, as it should pretty much bolt straight in ! ED 4.0 MPFI, would need manual computer, and pre smartlock. not too difficult, and fairly easy to get hold of too.

Ahhh the joys of internet education

Its a 200ci crossflow. looks just like a 250 with a smaller stroke

200 came in both pre-crossflow and crossflow heads, even up to alloy head 2

EA on as your suggesting have a different bellhousing pattern and slightly different engine mounting hole

Just need a computer, as one from an auto will run either

And pre smartlock wouldn't come from an ED would it

Certainly not an internet education, from what i can see in the pic, i reckon the starter is along side the sump (the 200 was along side the block, above the sump if i remember right) Hard to see in those pics, i must admit. But that said, you could be quite right. Im more than happy to admit im wrong.....

Pre smart lock i was referring to the ECU, not the engine. Only the 3 speed auto computer would be any good though, the 4 speed electronic is a different ECU.

tj81 wrote:

cloughy wrote:

tj81 wrote:Thats certainly not a 200ci

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Straight-6_engine

Theres a list of all falcon 6 engines and their capacities. (3/4 down page)

At the top of the page on the right you can see a 170 straight 6, this is more like what the 200 ci looks like.

Your right chimp, would be a great time to whack in a later model ford 6, as it should pretty much bolt straight in ! ED 4.0 MPFI, would need manual computer, and pre smartlock. not too difficult, and fairly easy to get hold of too.

Ahhh the joys of internet education

Its a 200ci crossflow. looks just like a 250 with a smaller stroke

200 came in both pre-crossflow and crossflow heads, even up to alloy head 2

EA on as your suggesting have a different bellhousing pattern and slightly different engine mounting hole

Just need a computer, as one from an auto will run either

And pre smartlock wouldn't come from an ED would it

Certainly not an internet education, from what i can see in the pic, i reckon the starter is along side the sump (the 200 was along side the block, above the sump if i remember right) Hard to see in those pics, i must admit. But that said, you could be quite right. Im more than happy to admit im wrong.....

Pre smart lock i was referring to the ECU, not the engine. Only the 3 speed auto computer would be any good though, the 4 speed electronic is a different ECU.

200 and 250 are the same engine blocks

Smarlock can be overriden, either with a box unit or get the ECU modded, mob called EMF automotive in QLD do it

ok ford people of infinant wisdom..
i have a ea falcon (tow rig) looking for a bit more poke
will the EL mpi head or even complete motor bolt in to mine??
can get whole head/loom/computer everything for $250 a woth while investment i think IF it will fit...

yup ... same motor, only real difference is whats bolted to the head.

Early EA motors were either 3.2 or 3.9 litre. Later motors all 4.0 litre, but all the other stuff is the same.

There are a few things to consider if dropping an EL Engine into your EA.

You have the serpentine belts to consider. If swapping your existing ea stuff onto the EL motor, you will also need to grind off some of the front of the sump to get the harmonic balancer pulley to bolt on to the EL engine correctly. (Or swap timing covers)

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=57713

Excellent Tutorial on whats required for a serpentine belt conversion. Your other option of course is to bolt on all the EA gear to your EL engine.

The other thing to think of is fuel injection. If your car is MPFI, job is easy. If its CFI, then ECU, fuel pump, and ditributor mods are required.

Thats deffinitly a 351Windsor....

MADZUKI wrote:Thats deffinitly a 351Windsor....

Aren't you on probation?

Eddy wrote:yup ... same motor, only real difference is whats bolted to the head.

Early EA motors were either 3.2 or 3.9 litre. Later motors all 4.0 litre, but all the other stuff is the same.

ok so in saying that i should just swap the heads??
then rewire,
run a VL fuel pump..
and it should be good for another heep of kw's and drivability?