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i am thinking of putting 33's or 35's on my 87 hilux, how much spring and body lift will it need,and most important, how expensive is the job.

if u wanna fit 33's you could probly get away with a 2 inch body lift but you will probly scrub a bit on flex for 35's wou would wanna do 2 inch body and 2 inch susp but still you will probly scrub on flex so could go for 3 inch susp

4 inches total lift will clear 39s.

extended shackles, dropped crossmember and 2 inch rears up front.

chunderlicious wrote:4 inches total lift will clear 39s.

extended shackles, dropped crossmember and 2 inch rears up front.

A simple 4" lift will not clear 39s.

RUFF wrote:

chunderlicious wrote:4 inches total lift will clear 39s.

extended shackles, dropped crossmember and 2 inch rears up front.

A simple 4" lift will not clear 39s.

it does, with 3" spacers and fudged up front panels..... and no uptravel.... wow i forgot about that bit


edit; out of curiosity how much lift did yours have over standard? roughly of course

chunderlicious wrote:

RUFF wrote:

chunderlicious wrote:4 inches total lift will clear 39s.

extended shackles, dropped crossmember and 2 inch rears up front.

A simple 4" lift will not clear 39s.

it does, with 3" spacers and fudged up front panels..... and no uptravel.... wow i forgot about that bit


edit; out of curiosity how much lift did yours have over standard? roughly of course

Very little it measured 22.75" to the bottom of the chassie at ride height on 38" TSLs. But the front axle was also forward around 4" and the firewall had allso been tubbed and guards had 2" extra radius cut into them. In total i had about 2" suspension lift and a 2.75" Body lift.

But i still disagrea that by just lifting a hilux 4" your going to "CLEAR" 39s.

thats how they fit on mikes. rears up front superior dropped hanger and extended shackles on ome 2 inch springs.

I had Jeep springs and stock length shackel.

With 2" rears up front you will get a lot more than 2" of lift to start with as there is a lot more arch in the rear springs.

RUFF wrote:I had Jeep springs and stock length shackel.

With 2" rears up front you will get a lot more than 2" of lift to start with as there is a lot more arch in the rear springs.

front hilux springs are flat arent they?

Shadow wrote:

RUFF wrote:I had Jeep springs and stock length shackel.

With 2" rears up front you will get a lot more than 2" of lift to start with as there is a lot more arch in the rear springs.

front hilux springs are flat arent they?

Basicaly

Shadow wrote:

RUFF wrote:I had Jeep springs and stock length shackel.

With 2" rears up front you will get a lot more than 2" of lift to start with as there is a lot more arch in the rear springs.

front hilux springs are flat arent they?

They shouldnt be but most are.

The original silver bullet body{early 4speed shape} ran 36swampers with very little scrubage, that was with 3"body 2"spring and snakes shackles and wheelspacers. Thats round7". Ran 35s easy without spacers.
When we changed to the ln65 body {87model} we needed to go a further 2" to run the 36s.
U must hav cut heaps of your guards to clear 39s.
Answer to original question, I would go 3"body and extended shackles. If your springs arent to flat leave em and get new shocks or move current ones.
Denny

RUFF wrote:I had Jeep springs and stock length shackel.

With 2" rears up front you will get a lot more than 2" of lift to start with as there is a lot more arch in the rear springs.

fair enough, didnt realise that but now i look they definately do have a larger arch in them. never thought the car was that high compared to most luxes. but ive found a pic and it looks huge on 31s.

Here is mine on 38" TSLs-

And the easy way to get clearence on the front-

is it right that if i increase the wheel size from 29.5" to 33, it needs engineering? also if i do no bodylifting, how much spring lift is needed?

i have seen the link on here for the 2" body lift fot the hilux surf, it mentions the things like extending the gear shift, and lowering the radiator etc, but says nothing about the steering column, is it not an issue?

The steering box is chassis mounted and the collum is body mounted there will be a increase of lenght when the cabs lifted so it's wise to at least lossen the long splined bit under dash off lift the cab then do it back up or get one of those small spaces for it. mine was done before i bought my ute and it wasn't done like this and pulled the tilt knuckle out inside the collum lucky it was out the bush but the bit at 8:30 on a wednesday night wasn't so good. Guard chop looks sweet.

ive got 2" body and 2" spring on ln65 with the front diff moved 30mm forward and i clear 35's no dramas without guard chopping and full flexed

pommy40 wrote:is it right that if i increase the wheel size from 29.5" to 33, it needs engineering? also if i do no bodylifting, how much spring lift is needed?

Not sure about the engineering as im in QLD.

You "should" get away with running 33s with just 2" springs but the problem is that there are so many different brand 2" springs and they all sit at different heights.

i think it depends on how flexy your springs are this is the great debate i have noticted i have got 92 solid axle mine has 2" body 2"springs extended rear shackels and i probably would not run 35s in the bush but on the street i would say no dramas

Mine clears 33's with 2" bodylift and 2" spring lift with very limited uptravel . To have it travelling as it should be would still require guard mods(only to the outer panel though).

How much do you care about the panels? Why not hit it with the jigsaw first and keep it low to start with?, I wouldn't want mine any higher than it currently is on std width lux diffs but that is a personal preference.

mate i have ifs model springs all round and no body lift and 2" shackles and no body rub and no bump stops
works fine with 33's

i just havent tried 35's yet

i have been told to use the rear leaf springs off a hilux on the front, and extended shackles etc etc, anybody ever tried any other springs? also been told to put the rear springs off a 98/99 hilux in my 87 model for more lift, any comment??????

98/99 are ifs arent they? rears up front is just a way of getting longer leaves that also put the diff forward a few mills to help clear bigger tyres. by putting the longer leaf packs in it enables the springs to bow further and thus giving more lift.

its quite complicated but the reason behind ruf being so popular is because it is simple. just extended shackles and crossover steering (dont know is standard steering works with the diff forward) where as putting in even longer leaves needs extra work.

Yeah with moving the diff foward with either Ruf or drilling perches it'll need to have shorter draglink and torque rod (can leave off but not the best to) These need to be shortend however far you move the diff this is where Xover or hi steer is good as it doesn't hit on u bolts. Can also do U-bolt flip on the front. with moving it foward also the tailshaft needs to be lenghtend as it'll fall out