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MMMMMMmmm Auto and crawlers = nice. Anybody tried it?

Yep, that's the engine I'd be looking at if I was going for a "different" engine. But I'd also be keeping the Vitara box and transfer case.

I spotted those Ebay engines last night and while they seem cheap you need an ECU to run them....

ECU is usually only about $100 from the same importers last time I checked.

Not the engine, but auto and crawlers - yes.

Flex Plate - HD Applause
Bellhousing - Auto Feroza
Gearbox - A44DE ( Jeep/Suzuki/Feroza, this ones from a Suzuki actually )
Converter - G16A Suzuki
Transfer - Vitara
Gears - Trailtough 4.3:1
Tailshafts - Vitara/Hilux
Gearbox controller - homemade

and a lot of work.

When I finally get to drive it I will tell you if it was worth it.

Ok, so next question MM.

You've matched the Zook auto to a Feroza auto bellhousing. Any thoughts on whether this should reciprocate? i.e. Would a Feroza auto bolt up to a Zook auto bellhousing?

Both cores are AW-4 so I would have thought so.

MM may have more insight, but that's my take. Not sure on input shaft spline/length though- might need a suzuki input shaft.

PS if you actually had a factory feroza AW-4 auto, why try and bolt a suzuki motor to it? just buy a suzuki front cut and then you will have a suzuki motor, aw-4 auto and a transfer you can put crawler gears in. (beware, they are long though compared to Daihatsu stuff)

Not having a stir, just my 2c. Part of MM's rationale was to run crawler gears and an auto behind a feroza motor.

Steve.

Thanks Steve.

Main rationale for running a Daihatsu auto was controller, etc. I need to do HEAPS more research first though

Gwagensteve wrote: Part of MM's rationale was to run crawler gears and an auto behind a feroza motor.

rationale.......what an interesting concept, obviously it comes in varying degrees


Actually the work looks good and I'm keen to see it out soon plus putting a Daihatsu badge on a Sierra still doesn't mean you're driving a Daihatsu does it MM.

just shows you - try and add a little class to a Sierra - and you never live it down.

The A44D used in the Feroza only uses an electric control for the converter - and so is easier to install - but not as much fun...... and
dearer the Suzuki scrap metal

The zook AW4DE Belhousing will bolt to a Feroza auto/transfer, but there is a slight difference in converter length that might require spacing.
I had to add a 6mm spacer plate to go the other way - as I wanted to keep the zook converter but use a Daihatsu flex plate.

And Steve's right - the whole thing was driven from the transfer end - wanted crawlers, so change t case, then need a transmission to bolt to the tcase, well a A44DE is a good trans that goes onto a Vit tcase etc etc, and then how to get it onto the engine, use Feroza auto belhousing...

But be very aware that the A44D or DE is substantially longer than a
stock Feroza transmission - not a problem with a Feroza transfer ( output is much lower than a Vitara ) but requires a lot of re-engineering with a Vit one. Nice thing is that you get to throw the stock Feroz engine and transmission mounts - I never want to see another broken mount.

Just put a Feroza auto in in the first place - doesn't fix the crawler issue
but would stil be better off road by a substantial margin.

And..... the 1600 Vit motor has no advantage over the HD so its not worth the effort IMO, if fact there are more options with the Daihatsu ( DeTomaso ).

just shows you - try and add a little class to a Sierra - and you never live it down.

The A44D used in the Feroza only uses an electric control for the converter - and so is easier to install - but not as much fun...... and
dearer the Suzuki scrap metal

The zook AW4DE Belhousing will bolt to a Feroza auto/transfer, but there is a slight difference in converter length that might require spacing.
I had to add a 6mm spacer plate to go the other way - as I wanted to keep the zook converter but use a Daihatsu flex plate.

And Steve's right - the whole thing was driven from the transfer end - wanted crawlers, so change t case, then need a transmission to bolt to the tcase, well a A44DE is a good trans that goes onto a Vit tcase etc etc, and then how to get it onto the engine, use Feroza auto belhousing...

But be very aware that the A44D or DE is substantially longer than a
stock Feroza transmission - not a problem with a Feroza transfer ( output is much lower than a Vitara ) but requires a lot of re-engineering with a Vit one. Nice thing is that you get to throw the stock Feroz engine and transmission mounts - I never want to see another broken mount.

Just put a Feroza auto in in the first place - doesn't fix the crawler issue
but would stil be better off road by a substantial margin.

And..... the 1600 Vit motor has no advantage over the HD so its not worth the effort IMO, if fact there are more options with the Daihatsu ( DeTomaso ).

I'm thinking more about the 2l Vit motor....

Same story - get the bellhousing and its possible.

AJFeroza wrote:I'm thinking more about the 2l Vit motor....

and then there is no point using the feroza trans controller - get the whole shebang from an auto 2L vit and it will drive properly. If you already have an auto 'roza, you can use the output shaft or whole core from the AW-4 and drive it with the vitara TCC - this will properly control converter locking etc with the added torque of the 2L

again, just my 2C, I'm sure it could be done the other way too.

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:

AJFeroza wrote:I'm thinking more about the 2l Vit motor....

and then there is no point using the feroza trans controller - get the whole shebang from an auto 2L vit and it will drive properly. If you already have an auto 'roza, you can use the output shaft or whole core from the AW-4 and drive it with the vitara TCC - this will properly control converter locking etc with the added torque of the 2L

again, just my 2C, I'm sure it could be done the other way too.

Steve.

Better yet........just get a 2L Vit

Most of us can't afford owing the 2 or 3 Vitara's necessary to keep one on the road, or having a Sierra as a Spare.

Being "forced" to use a Vit transfer is already bad enough - but the whole car !

MightyMouse wrote:Most of us can't afford owing the 2 or 3 Vitara's necessary to keep one on the road, or having a Sierra as a Spare.

Being "forced" to use a Vit transfer is already bad enough - but the whole car !

They're all on the road thank you which is more than I can say for one Feroza

With an unstarted new engine, the last thing I am looking for is anything on the road..... Tomorrow night is the big moment, however fully expect a challenge or two.