Outer Limits 4x4 Board

We are investigating the possibility of importing pre-fabbed lengths of the strongest winch line on the planet.

From my research, the physical attributes far outperform any other product on the market.

It will be dearer than other ropes on the market.

Is there room for another synthetic winch rope?? Would you pay more for a better product?? Do you rate synthetic winch rope??

Any comments are appreciated

Is it stronger in tensile strength or in regards to abraision?

Yes, it is stronger in all cases where compared to same size wire or synthetic rope. Take for instance, Plasma rope in 3/8 is rate at minimum breaking strength approx 17500lb where our rope will be rated at 26500lb. A substantial upgrade in minimum breaking strains, somewhere in the order of 51% stronger.
Abrasion resistance has also been addressed with the addition of a braided sheath which protects the inner core (which is also pre-stretched) for added strength. The outer sheath also protects from UV radiation, mud, sand etc etc.

uv stability and heat reactions?

Spock

UV stability is far superior to other ropes, the outer core is the primary barrier and the inner core is coated with polyurethane for added protection.
Pre-heat and stretch treated for optimum strength, also has a 12ft heat protector for when in contact with the drum.

I'm in the states at the moment looking at winch rope and i'm pretty sure i know which one your talking about.

I guess the real main obstacle in your way is that at the moment synthetic rope is grossly more expensive in oz than here, so anyone who is really serious about rope will just buy it from here and have it freighted. I am bringing over a whole bunch for myself and some mates when i come home and it really is worth the fricking around with finding a supplier.

You will have to import it by the shipload to make it really competitive to US prices.

just my 2c

I would suggest there is room at the other end of the market for a locally supplied low dollar product for all the ametuers out there and their mates. (like me)

Paul

Anybody serious about it will do research and check world wide pricing. That is the great advantage of the internet. I just got a batch of rope and gear from the states. Freight is stuff all in the context of things and still heaps cheaper than buying it from here.

We will be able to supply a 100ft length of 3/8" Masterpull winch rope, with stainless steel thimble and H/D sling hook rated to 23500lb for about the $400 mark. This is about 5000lb stronger than plasma, weigh up the cost of plasma rope, thimble and hook and see how we compare.

just wondering..... how much for 150ft 0f 1/2'' or 7/16

cheers smitty

hammey wrote:just wondering..... how much for 150ft 0f 1/2'' or 7/16

cheers smitty

Can I ask why you would need such thick as 1/2"?? what on earth are you winching??

The 7/16 is rated at 40000lb, Do you need more than that?? What type of winch will accomodate 150ft of 7/16??

Anyway, Masterpull do not make over 7/16 and the longest pre-fab length they manufacture is 100ft. Looking around the $800 mark.

If you need 150ft, try the 3/8, rated to 26500lb looking at around the grand mark.

Hope this helps.

I am aware of the product you are suggesting and I agree, on paper, it appears to be a superior product but I have seen someone is AUS selling and it was ridiculous price, hence IF I was to buy it I would be importing it myself. If you can beat a private import price, you will sell them.

RoldIT wrote:I am aware of the product you are suggesting and I agree, on paper, it appears to be a superior product but I have seen someone is AUS selling and it was ridiculous price, hence IF I was to buy it I would be importing it myself. If you can beat a private import price, you will sell them.

Thx for the feedback,

Who did you see that was selling it?? I am establishing a distributor network here in AUS and it shouldnt be too hard to compete with the "private import price" that you speak of.

I do recognise the need for a competitively priced product and will do my upmost to achieve this. If anyone is interested to pre-order any rope, now would be the chance to get a top notch product for a better than retail price as I am not interestd in making any money upfront as I believe that once people see that it is a superior product and more people are talking about it, profit will follow.

Sorry, can't remember who was selling it but it was one rope hanging on the wall of a vendor tent at Wandin 4x4 show earlier this year. I chatted with the vendor about it and he confirmed it was Masterpull rope with the sheath. It was very rigid compared to normal syntheic rope and as you say, appeared to be pre-stretched and very dense.

I was already aware of the product from the US and I liked it but his price was twice that of any other product available here, and at least 70% more than I knew I could import it myself for.

BTW, the price you mentioned DOES sound good, if it works out.

thanks for the reply mate.... looking at prices for a spare rope for next year..

the winch is a high mount with extended drum plus the usual stuff

ATM im running 120ft of 12mm dynamica comfortably, I figured at the right price i'd grab another one.

cheers smitty

hammey wrote:thanks for the reply mate.... looking at prices for a spare rope for next year..

the winch is a high mount with extended drum.

ATM im running 120ft of 12mm dynamica comfortably, I figured at the right price i'd grab another one.

cheers smitty

No probs, why not retire your current rope to spare and grab some Superline for cost price. I have negotiated the best possible price direct and am willing to extend this to the end user for a very limited time.

im in sydney next week working. will drop in for a chat.

can you get 7/16'' longer if its not prefabbed

cheers smitty

I have already asked the question and we wouldnt invest the time and energy to further handle the product. The only thing we can do is to order a specific length and wait til its shipped. probably only 3-4 weeks, obviously after pre-ordered and paid for.

MitchellBros4x4 wrote:Any comments are appreciated

Supply it anyway, and you'll get customers anyway, either from here or else where.

If people are willing to buy/ship from the USA right now, there's going to be some sort of demand for it here.

A lot of stuff can be had cheaper from the USA doesn't mean everyone wants the fuck around in doing it.

Guys, just check the specs of the Masterpull carefully. There seems to be a healthy dose of marketing in their "Masterpull vs the rest of the worlds ropes" document on their website. Firstly they use Dynex Dux SK-75 from Dynex and according to Dynex themselves the 12mm is a 35000lb rope. Masterpull claim their 7/16 (11mm) is 40 000lb. Amsteel Blue is also made form HMWPE (Dyneema SK-75) and their 12mm is 30000lb.

The Dynex is a stronger rope due to the post stretching they do on the rope once it has been put together. But the difference aint close to what Masterpull claim.

BTW, their is a Dynex supplier in Sydney, a rigging company called Sydney Rigging Specialists. I have found the rigging companies can be up to half the price of the 4by shops.

I did a lot of research on 'plasma' ropes when the 2007 NZ winch challenge rules were written. ie I did it to provide real info to base the rule upon. As you guys may know, you aren't allowed to use steel in NZ and you can only use Dyneema SK75, which is what Plasms, Dynamica, Amsteel Blue etc are made of. There is another fibre that is stronger than Dyneema BUT it has greater stretch and so if far far more dangerous due to stored energy.
In fact all the statistic being talked about are incorrect. No one is making allowance for the splice and that reduces the rating byat last 20% but it depends on whether the person doing knows what they are doing. If the tail isn't tappered then the breaking strain is reduced even further!
Have look at the links below if you want some more info but SK75 is SK75 and reguardless of what the manufacturers says it is all the same and comes from the same place.
Tehnora in the Pelican rope site below is a different produce but stretches to much for a winch. Good for other thing but not for what we do.
As for pre-stretching. How hard is it to put the rope on the winch and strtch it? The first tme you use it you will stretch the rope. As long as you don't max it out straight up it will gain the extra strength stretching gives it.

http://www.dsm.com/en_US/html/hpf/home_dyneema.htm
http://dynamica-ropes.dk/html/features.htm
http://www.pelicanrope.com/

I believe stretching it then sheathing the entire rope while it is stretched keeps it stretched.

www.ropewa.com.au sell the sheathed rope and I have been running it for the past 3 years, same rope and still very little damage to sheath and absolutly no damage to rope.

If you can get the sheathed stuff in at that price it will definatly be a good thing.

Ludacris

MitchellBros4x4 wrote:We will be able to supply a 100ft length of 3/8" Masterpull winch rope, with stainless steel thimble and H/D sling hook rated to 23500lb for about the $400 mark. This is about 5000lb stronger than plasma, weigh up the cost of plasma rope, thimble and hook and see how we compare.

That sounds like a good deal, but would be better @ 125' around that price plus cheap post, do that i can sell a few for you plus one for me!

That would keep it in the competitive OS market!

Can you get the heat sheaths and the protective sheaths?

IMHO you will not gain much of the market – most people want the best that can get for least amount of money. Given there are numerous shops in the US willing to ship here and while the exchange rate is good, you will not turn over that much to really make it worthwhile. If you do decide to give it a go, I hope you do well out of it.

Cheers

jet-6 wrote:

MitchellBros4x4 wrote:We will be able to supply a 100ft length of 3/8" Masterpull winch rope, with stainless steel thimble and H/D sling hook rated to 23500lb for about the $400 mark. This is about 5000lb stronger than plasma, weigh up the cost of plasma rope, thimble and hook and see how we compare.

That sounds like a good deal, but would be better @ 125' around that price plus cheap post, do that i can sell a few for you plus one for me!

That would keep it in the competitive OS market!

Can you get the heat sheaths and the protective sheaths?

Hi Jet-6,

125ft of 3/8 will be around the $500 mark, if you want the sheathed winch line, expect to pay more, around the $700 mark, it is certainly a better product which is bound to last longer and be more abrasion resistent. You get what you pay for and if you would like to take advantage of the cost price deal, let me know.

CLOSING DATE FOR COST WINCH ROPE DEAL IS THURSDAY 13TH OF SEPTEMBER

Price list as follows

Length 5/16 3/8 7/16
Winch Line
50ft $174 $197
80ft $207 $265
100ft $229 $290
125ft $259 $334
150ft $285

Superline
50ft $253 $283
80ft $318 $376
100ft $361 $417 $559
125ft $415 $483
150ft $469

Superline XD
50ft $296 $335
80ft $385 $462
100ft $444 $516 $559
125ft $517 $542
150ft $591 $697

Hardware Al. Fairlead $99 $99

Extension
50ft $174 $201
75ft $198 $244
100ft $227 $288

Rock Guard $56

please forgive my ignorance and laziness what is the difference between the winch line, superline & superline XD?

The major difference is the overbraid that protects the inner core, this overbraid also adds strength and abrasion resistence and excludes dirt, mud etc from entering the core and doing further damage. Does that answer your question??