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Anybody know the amount of teeth on the timing belt for a feroza/US rocky. Part houses say 95. Mine has 93. While changing timing belt with a new one ,95 teeth, it has way too much slack. Still had the original which only had about 15000 miles on it, and it is really tight. The belt tensioner moves all the way in on the 95 teeth one, but needs to move further to reduce slack. Opposite side is too loose. Any ideas?

If someone else doesnt' answer sooned will count them tonight - have OE and replacement belts @ home.

Checked the Bosch Catalogue - all use a BT182 which seems logical as the engines ( even the Appluase ) uses the same basic engine.

just changed mine.... will coiunt the old one tomorrow if m mouse hasn't replied

Gates T182 - 95 teeth
Bosch BT182 - 95 teeth
Unreadable - 95 teeth ( original I think )

think there's a pattern forming here - is it a xx182 ?

hope this helps

wow! thanks for the quick responses. No the new belt is by Clevite. The used belt - unknown. Thanks.

95 teeth on the old (and the new!)

Not sure what brand the old one is new one is RO-DRIVE (ROULANDS?)

Thanks for looking! Oh well, I wonder if the tensioner could be nonOEM. Oh well, thanks again for the info.

OK, apparently the 1.3L motor used in the charade here in the states uses 93 teeth. Would the tensioner be different on a 1.3 L than a 1.6L? Is it possible for a 1.3L charade motor to be put in a feroza? I know the engine in the car is not original to the car. Ah! The joys of a used car with no available history!

You might be able to tell from the engine number what type the block is?

If your talking about a HD-C (1.3) then the answers no - I have both engines in the garage and they use the same tensioner.

My current HD-EG engine has a HC tensioner on it as the old one had developed a "bad noise" and that was the zero effort solution

The Bosch catalog however lists the HC as having a BT181 belt which is different from a HD ( BT182 )

This is entirely logical as the deck height on an HC engine is lower than a HD
so a HD belt would be way too loose on an HC

The problem is it the wrong belt should be be too tight not too loose ( you DO have an HD don't you ? )

Engine type is cast into the exhaust side of the block back near the belhousing.....

MightyMouse wrote:If your talking about a HD-C (1.3) then the answers no - I have both engines in the garage and they use the same tensioner.

HD-C is a 1.6l with carby unless I've got brain fade tonight?

Aren't the 1.3l all HC and the 1.5l HE?

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2131/article.html <- some useful info on the Daihatsu engine designations and versions.

oops - me no type good.

No I am talking about the HC variant which is the 1300cc , not the HD variant which is 1600cc ( nominal caps. )

Crank, pistons and block are different on the HC.

Well thanks to previous owner, I am currently using the 1.3 HC according to the block number. According to LEon at Daihatsu America, it has a shorter stroke making the block shorter. Thanks for the help!

Well that's interesting!

And it obviously bolts straight up to the gearbox OK? You'd be down a bit on power too I'd imagine?

That's a bit of a "nasty" surprise - but it certain explains things.

block deck height is lower on the HC ( by 20mm from memory ) but casting is esentially the same.

The HC isn't a bad engine actually its a bit "revier" as its a bit squarer in the bore to stroke ratio, but its a bit down on torque as it has shorter crank throws.

Almost put an HC in as had one from a very late model Applause that was virtually perfect, however the lure of 300 extra cc's got to much for me.

And Kickingback99 if its connected to a HD EFI system it could be running a bit on the rich side alothough the O2 sensor system might be capable of correcting for the potential overfueling.

If your tempted to change ECU's just make sure its an earlier one as the later ones had electronic timing control and MAY be different - dont really know....

MightyMouse wrote: Almost put an HC in as had one from a very late model Applause .....

Charade? Or did Applauses come out with them in some countries?

I've thought about putting a HE 1.5l engine in. Being a later model with more advanced EFI (including ignition timing control) I figure it might almost be worthwhile?

And this engine sounds very interesting:

In Japan, the current Daihatsu Terios and YRV are available with a 1.3-litre turbocharged engine. The 1.3 DOHC, 16-valve intercooled turbo K3-VET engine uses a 8.5:1 static compression ratio and achieves up to 103kW at 6400 rpm and 177Nm at a surprisingly low 3200 rpm. We hope to see this engine in the local YRV soon.

The car was totaled and all that was left was parts of the front guards, front cross member, chassis rails, steering, some of the suspension and engine - it looked like an Applause but in that state there's lots of room for error and given the condition of the engine I wasn't wasting any time getting it out of the wreckers ($125)

Can't see the point of doing anything but a complete aftermarket EFI system, all the stuffing around and you still can't tune it.

For $500 and some time wiring just go aftermarket in the first place.

As I now have an auto, gears etc etc anything that I couldn't get a bellhousing for wouldn't be worth the work, even though the engine you describe probably would be a ball tearer - but without the right gearing still a problem off road.

The HD has potential, is cheap to build and can make BIG power with a turbo or blower, although anything over the 200KW mark starts getting mega expensive - but its not the Feroza's main weakness as a 4WD.

A year or more ago I started on the engine and then realized that it was well down my list of must haves.

But different people want different things from their vehicles so whats a major problem for me might be nothing for someone else.

Yes, it did run rich. Egr system absolutely packed with carbon ( i dont know if that's because of this or not) It recently blew a head gasket and I am in the process of putting it back together again.

It does lack a little power in third, and the gas mileage was not stellar for what I thought it should be. Nevertheless, it still went through things my friend was afraid to touch in his Jeep.

Everything else on the engine seems to be the same...ie alternator, water pump, ac, and apparently engine mounts. Does anyone know if the charades came with a turbo on the 1.3L?

No it would have had Feroza accessories fitted to make it useable.

Pulleys, water pump, intake and exhaust manifold, power steer ( if fitted ), alternator, sump, oil pickup etc etc are all different.

So its a HC with Feroza bits - which is fine.