Outer Limits 4x4 Board

What can tow 3000kg or more?
80 series upto late 96 2700kg, onwards 3500kg?
GU 3500kg
GQ 2500kg
Current Rodeo 3000kg
Crewman Ute 2500kg
Bronco's 2500kg?
F100/F150 similar?


Looking for something around $15k or less. 4x4 not essential. To tow my F150 (2200kg - 2500kg plus trailer (500kg - 750kg) or my Mustang. Must be able to cruise at 100kph, and be able to be used as a daily driver. Prefer 4 seater.

TD5 Discovery

let the flaming begin



brooksy

...check your balldown weights...

just because it call pull it, doesn't mean the towbar won't be torn off the chassis rails, or the chassis rails won't twist....

brooksy wrote:TD5 Discovery

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brooksy

What year had the Towing capacity that high??

i think the v8 discos had a good towing capacity my mate had one and towed his big boat around the state every weekend and it loved it

I'm sure all rangie classic's and discoveries had towing capacities of 4000kgs, I'll stand corrected if a rover guru points out im not.

F trucks have 4 ton towing capacities as well.

they got the the vans that air con guys use.... they got a high towing capaictiy too as well as a lot of room inside

my gq says 3500 rated towing capacity. and the tow bar says 3750 from memory.

id never tow any where near that now tho.

v8 heeps tow over 3000kg and are cheap as now too.

CRUSHU wrote:

brooksy wrote:TD5 Discovery

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brooksy

What year had the Towing capacity that high??

Pretty well most!!

Disco's (series 2 from late '98) have a towing capacity of 3500kg. But if you have the optional L/Rover towing kit on the Disco I think you can have 4000kg capacity (Hayman Reece style only have up to 3500kg). Defenders have a 4000kg capacity.
The combination of good brakes, ACE, SLS, etc make these better than just about all other 4wd's for towing ability.



brooksy

89 range rover is 4000kg's
cheers
blaze

CRUSHU wrote:What can tow 3000kg or more?
80 series upto late 96 2700kg, onwards 3500kg?
GU 3500kg
GQ 2500kg
Current Rodeo 3000kg
Crewman Ute 2500kg
Bronco's 2500kg?
F100/F150 similar?

Most 4wds do 3tons but the trailer needs to have it's own brakes.

Other wise it's 700kg un-braked, for Australian 4wds.

US pick ups are pretty much the same but you can get dual wheels for them which up the amount of for towing.

badger wrote:my gq says 3500 rated towing capacity. and the tow bar says 3750 from memory.

id never tow any where near that now tho.

v8 heeps tow over 3000kg and are cheap as now too.

The towbar is rated for 3500kg, when fitted to a GU, but is only rated to 2500kg on your GQ, you should check it out.

What F trucks are 4000kg? Not F100 - F150's thats for sure! Must be the current shape F250 - F350, 2004 - 2007?

The 50m ball is rated to 3500kg, so anything over will need to be 70mm.

I need REAL info here peoples, Actual VEHICLE ratings, and what model/year, not towbar ratings/ball ratings.

Not sure if its common knowledge but a manufacturers rated capacity isn't necessarily what you are allowed to tow. Changes state to state. Hope this helps

http://ntc.gov.au/ViewPage.aspx?page=A02304408400300020

here then.

http://www.4wdworld.com.au/tipstricks/weights_4wd.htm

Look at the 4wd maker websites, 700kg is the max for a trailer without brakes on it here in Australia I havn't seen anything higher than that, at the car shows etc.

3ton would be about the max for the Japan 4wds, they aren't made for towing stuff really.

can goto a US pickup then get a dual wheel setup that'll push up the amount of weight you can pull, helps with traction plus also holds more weight in the rear.

US pickups seem to be more for towing than anything else, just cost a packet plus an armand a leg.


Patrol Ute
http://www.nissan.com.au/patrolcab/specifications.asp

Patrol wagon
http://www.nissan.com.au/patrol/specifications.asp


Land cruiser
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks. ... ruiser.htm

1990-1997 Toyota Land Cruiser Review
Toyota launched this generation of its 4-wheel-drive wagon way back in 1981. By 1990, power came from a fuel-injected 4.0-liter inline 6-cylinder engine, making 155 horsepower and driving a 4-speed automatic transmission. All Land Cruisers had on-demand 4-wheel drive. Front hubs still had to be locked and unlocked by hand. A Land Cruiser could tow 3500 pounds.

http://www.4wdonline.com/Toyota/70.html

Toyota LandCruiser 78-Series 2000
troop carrier (LWB HT), 3+8-seats, 2-doors
loa: 5060mm, width: 1690mm, height: 2115mm
turning radius: 6.7m
weight: 2115kg (unladen), GVM: xxx, --> towing: 750kg (unbraked)
diesel
1HZ, 4164cc, diesel, 6-cyls, 2-valves/cyl, ohc
bore: 94mm, stroke: 100mm, c.r.: 22.7:1
transmission: 5m, 2-speed transfer case
suspension: live-coil / live-leaf, brakes: disc/disc
tyres: 7.50R16, fuel-tank: 90+90L
price: from 54K ( 1/2000), air-con' +2.3K
competition: Land Rover Defender

Toyota LandCruiser 75 Series c1995
troop-carrier (hard-top) 2 door, 3+8 seats; also ute and cab-chassis
loa: 4995mm, width: 1690mm, height: 2090mm, weight: 2040kg (unladen)
GVM: 3035kg, towing: 750kg (unbraked)
turning radius: 6.5m (kerb)
petrol: (FZJ75RV...)
1FZ-FE 4477cc petrol 6cyls efi 4valves/cyl dohc
bore: 100mm, stroke: 95mm, c.r.: 9.0:1
diesel: (HZJ75R....)
1HZ 4164cc diesel 6cyls 2valves/cyl sohc
bore: 94mm, stroke: 100mm, c.r.: 22.7:1
transmission: 5m, part-time 4WD, 2 speed transfer case
suspension: beam-leaf/beam-leaf, brakes: disc/disc
tyres: 7.50R16, fuel-tank: 90L (+90L option)
Note: dimensions given for hard-top.
Competition: Nissan GQ, Land Rover Defender

The brand new one
http://www.toyota.com.au/landcruiser-100/

3.5ton max but it'd need to be a trailer with a brake on it.

Any trailer over 750kg needs brakes on at least 1 axle, over 2000kg's it needs electric brakes on all axles.

what about this

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1998-Nissan-Patr ... dZViewItem

i dunno about legaly, but my MQ can tow 4000kg with no real probs, just have to take it easy on the hills

I would consider AWD (80 or Disco) to be of significant benefit. Definatley better towing with AWD then with 2wd. I used to use 4wd on bitchumen in the wet as 2wd would just lose it on corners. I regularly tow far too much.

Paul

im looking for one the same for my comp trick..
although it will be a heck of alot lighter than a your f truck..
im thinking about a V8 rangie...

or a au falcon...
or a 3ltr surf..
really they are my 3 options.. in my price range (under 7g)

Grand Gherokees 3500kg
defender, disco and range 3500
Pather finders 3000
Patrol wagons 3200-3500
All cruisers 3500
dual cab navara 3000

New F250 and F350 are only 2270kg braked but 1600 unbraked

what is the AU???
i cant find it anywhere!

nabstud wrote:Not sure if its common knowledge but a manufacturers rated capacity isn't necessarily what you are allowed to tow. Changes state to state. Hope this helps

http://ntc.gov.au/ViewPage.aspx?page=A02304408400300020

Im pretty sure any light vehicle (ie less than a truck) in Australia is limited to tow 3500kg legally. Don't know the ramification of getting this incresed or if you can even do that.

In saying that in the UK landrover defenders, discoverys (dunno bout new ones) and ranger rovers (classic) are all allowed to legally tow up to 4000kg with the Tow package from land rover. Lets em all tow round their horse floats etc

how about a holden surbaban that where released 1998 to 2001 they came out with a 350 petrol in them or one of those 6.5 diesels & gave 583Nm @ 1800rpm

all the extras u would want leather seats, climate & can tow 4.5 t

My old man has towed over 6t on a triple axle trailer (not including the trailer) on an XA falcon with 351 and FMX with trans cooler, has a hayman reece bar tied into the front subframe, and those springs to unload the tow ball (forget what there called) and a brake controller in the cab obviously. has done many trips with 4000kg total from QLD to VIC with no ill efects.

90Mav wrote:My old man has towed over 6t on a triple axle trailer (not including the trailer) on an XA falcon with 351 and FMX with trans cooler, has a hayman reece bar tied into the front subframe, and those springs to unload the tow ball (forget what there called) and a brake controller in the cab obviously. has done many trips with 4000kg total from QLD to VIC with no ill efects.

Yeah but its not legal.

Crushu, If you have a vechile and you need the to know the higest rating towbar for that vechile from hayman reece ( usally the highest rating of the towbar manurfactures ) I can do that at work for you as we are hayman reece distrubutors and I'm linked into the HO computers.

Just because your vechile can tow 3.5 tonne that dosent mean your towbar is rated to that.

F trucks, the best way to get big rating is use a R1800, Truck towbar custome built on your vechile and use a 70mm ball. The towbar is then rated to 4t.

Nick

jeep97tj wrote:Grand Gherokees 3500kg
defender, disco and range 3500
Pather finders 3000
Patrol wagons 3200-3500
All cruisers 3500
dual cab navara 3000

New F250 and F350 are only 2270kg braked but 1600 unbraked

Add the Jeep commander to that list - 3.5t
not sure what the Pajero TD does ?

taspatrol wrote:i think the v8 discos had a good towing capacity my mate had one and towed his big boat around the state every weekend and it loved it

Only 1 problem here
It will be more on the trailer than the race car


Probably a 80 series is best bet, 4 doors, reliable and for about 15 grand

GASDRX wrote:

taspatrol wrote:i think the v8 discos had a good towing capacity my mate had one and towed his big boat around the state every weekend and it loved it

Only 1 problem here
It will be more on the trailer than the race car


Probably a 80 series is best bet, 4 doors, reliable and for about 15 grand

I would prefer a diesel, and there aren't any 80 series diesels for $15k.

jeep97tj wrote: New F250 and F350 are only 2270kg braked but 1600 unbraked

Where'd you get that from? Im pretty sure its 4500kg with load distributing hitch.

What about a small canter truck or something if its only for towing and not d/d. Mind you they still only have small engines and might not get you the 100kph your looking for.

You can get a small tilt tray or beaver tail for the money you want to spend, screw the trailer idea, if you want to do long k's buy a truck and don't piss around with poor fuel consumption and potential overloading of the vehicle in which you plan to tow the monstrosity with.

Have you heard of rolling resistance, the more wheels and weight on the ground the more energy is needed to propel the vehicle, plus you have wear and tear on another 4+ tyres and breaks and wheel bearings etc.

With a vehicle of the f100's weight a truck is your only option, also looking at you pics of the yellow thing you also have width to consider, you won't even fit that on a conventional car tandem without changing wheels all the time, that sux.

I have this same problem of width with my vehicle the trailer i use is alsmost 2.5m wide just on the legal limit for australian roads and you have to drive over the gaurds, but my advantage here is my truck only weighs 1800 kg max

Ben