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was playing around interchanging some parts and i noticed that teh spline on the steering box, shaft and uni's from a patrol box all intechange with the 40 series steering box.

I am doing mine a little differently though,

Im putting in a GQ patrol box, with the patrol steering shaft and rag joint

I am using the origional 40 series steering colum and shaft, I am just installing a bearing at the base of the column tube to centre the shaft.

I am attaching the nissan rag joint where the origional 40 series steering box used to attach. I can either run another rag joint at the steering box or a uni joint

much better ( stronger) than using 60 series gear and less to change.

posting info to help others.

Cheers,
Jes

i'd be interested about hearing about this. most people use GU steering stuff because GQ isn't as strong (but i have no experience to back that up myself)

the 60 swaps aren't exactly weak either, but if you've got a way to do it easily, like i said, i'd be pretty interested to see some alternate ways of doing it

any pics jessie?

are you certain the spline counts are the same?

cause if so, GQ, 75 and 60 series can interchange??

bj on roids wrote:any pics jessie?

are you certain the spline counts are the same?

cause if so, GQ, 75 and 60 series can interchange??

naa no pics, but spline is the same, i have them in front of me now

I have GU box's aswell, but its overkill for a light truck like a soft top 40.

Jes

jessie928 wrote:much better ( stronger) than using 60 series gear and less to change.

What makes you think this? I have never seen a broken 60 series power steering box. But i have seen maybe 20 broken GQ ones. They blow the top off them, They snap Pitman arms and they break sector shafts.

RUFF wrote:

jessie928 wrote:much better ( stronger) than using 60 series gear and less to change.

What makes you think this? I have never seen a broken 60 series power steering box. But i have seen maybe 20 broken GQ ones. They blow the top off them, They snap Pitman arms and they break sector shafts.

probably the amount of modified Coil sprung patrols have something to do with it

Jes

jessie928 wrote:

RUFF wrote:

jessie928 wrote:much better ( stronger) than using 60 series gear and less to change.

What makes you think this? I have never seen a broken 60 series power steering box. But i have seen maybe 20 broken GQ ones. They blow the top off them, They snap Pitman arms and they break sector shafts.

probably the amount of modified Coil sprung patrols have something to do with it

Jes

how, and theres no 60 series steering boxes in use?

bubs wrote:

jessie928 wrote:

RUFF wrote:

jessie928 wrote:much better ( stronger) than using 60 series gear and less to change.

What makes you think this? I have never seen a broken 60 series power steering box. But i have seen maybe 20 broken GQ ones. They blow the top off them, They snap Pitman arms and they break sector shafts.

probably the amount of modified Coil sprung patrols have something to do with it

Jes

how, and theres no 60 series steering boxes in use?

Not compared to 6+ inch lifted patrols without that have not had proper consideration for steering correction.

bubs wrote:

jessie928 wrote:

RUFF wrote:

jessie928 wrote:much better ( stronger) than using 60 series gear and less to change.

What makes you think this? I have never seen a broken 60 series power steering box. But i have seen maybe 20 broken GQ ones. They blow the top off them, They snap Pitman arms and they break sector shafts.

probably the amount of modified Coil sprung patrols have something to do with it

Jes

how, and theres no 60 series steering boxes in use?

how many machines with 60 series boxes do you see with coils, mega lift and skewed out steering geometary?

Jes

the mogota runs one, still how many 60 series ones have you seen broken. Now GQ's I dont care if they are 6+ in lifted and screwed geometry even with 2-3 lift they still break.

bubs wrote:even with 2-3 lift they still break.

personally i have not seen any broken 60 series ones actually.

but how many patrol boxes have you seen shit themselves with trucks with 3" lifts?

i have seen broken patrol boxes due to accident damage. the blow the top off because the bolts do not have enough area to hold the top onto the main part of the box.

patrol boxes cop alot of load from articulation and shock loading from the suspension.

enter the GU box.

Jes

ive run them with 42s on 2 different cars J60 boxes that is,

ive had them tapped out for hydro-assist too

jessie928 wrote:
patrol boxes cop alot of load from articulation and shock loading from the suspension.

I thought the panhard would have taken most of the load.

And the Mogota runs a J60 box to, 44's or 38's no hydro assist.

Any way it is good to know the splines interchange.

ive seen a busted Y60 box on a pretty much stock patrol 2" lift and 33s

it just snapped the sector shaft...

ive seen one with just 35inch muds on it snap a panhard rod off the diff

they are good and cheap and available and im a fan... but there was some things that needed a little more work..

jessie928 wrote: patrol boxes cop alot of load from articulation and shock loading from the suspension.

enter the GU box.

Jes

The panhard takes care of shock loading from the suspension. Not the steering link otherwise there would be guys with broken fingers,thumbs and wrists at almost every 4wd comp.


The same design box as a 60 series is used in, Hilux(with cross over steering),80 series,75 series, Bundera. Non of these are known for suffering breakage. The only difference between these boxes in the mounting bolt pattern.

I really dont care why your using the GQ over the 60 series but justifying it by saying they are stronger is pretty stupid.

RUFF wrote:

jessie928 wrote: patrol boxes cop alot of load from articulation and shock loading from the suspension.

enter the GU box.

Jes

The panhard takes care of shock loading from the suspension. Not the steering link otherwise there would be guys with broken fingers,thumbs and wrists at almost every 4wd comp.


The same design box as a 60 series is used in, Hilux(with cross over steering),80 series,75 series, Bundera. Non of these are known for suffering breakage. The only difference between these boxes in the mounting bolt pattern.

I really dont care why your using the GQ over the 60 series but justifying it by saying they are stronger is pretty stupid.

panhard does not take the load of the draglink trying to pull the steering box down , or does not take a beating when the passanger wheel has dropped into a hole and then punched sideways.

the reason for using patrol gear is i dont have to chase 55 series steering column and then the shaft.

with patrol gear, all that you do is put a bush or a bearing at the end of the origional column and then bolt the patrol box and shat in place.


JEs

jessie928 wrote:

RUFF wrote:

jessie928 wrote: patrol boxes cop alot of load from articulation and shock loading from the suspension.

enter the GU box.

Jes

The panhard takes care of shock loading from the suspension. Not the steering link otherwise there would be guys with broken fingers,thumbs and wrists at almost every 4wd comp.


The same design box as a 60 series is used in, Hilux(with cross over steering),80 series,75 series, Bundera. Non of these are known for suffering breakage. The only difference between these boxes in the mounting bolt pattern.

I really dont care why your using the GQ over the 60 series but justifying it by saying they are stronger is pretty stupid.

panhard does not take the load of the draglink trying to pull the steering box down , or does not take a beating when the passanger wheel has dropped into a hole and then punched sideways.

the reason for using patrol gear is i dont have to chase 55 series steering column and then the shaft.

with patrol gear, all that you do is put a bush or a bearing at the end of the origional column and then bolt the patrol box and shat in place.


JEs

but you don't need 55 column, you can use 60 or 75 columns too...

jessie928 wrote: the reason for using patrol gear is i dont have to chase 55 series steering column and then the shaft.

JEs

So it has nothing to do with the fact you beleive the patrol box is stronger?

bad_religion_au wrote:

jessie928 wrote:

RUFF wrote:

jessie928 wrote: patrol boxes cop alot of load from articulation and shock loading from the suspension.

enter the GU box.

Jes

The panhard takes care of shock loading from the suspension. Not the steering link otherwise there would be guys with broken fingers,thumbs and wrists at almost every 4wd comp.


The same design box as a 60 series is used in, Hilux(with cross over steering),80 series,75 series, Bundera. Non of these are known for suffering breakage. The only difference between these boxes in the mounting bolt pattern.

I really dont care why your using the GQ over the 60 series but justifying it by saying they are stronger is pretty stupid.

panhard does not take the load of the draglink trying to pull the steering box down , or does not take a beating when the passanger wheel has dropped into a hole and then punched sideways.

the reason for using patrol gear is i dont have to chase 55 series steering column and then the shaft.

with patrol gear, all that you do is put a bush or a bearing at the end of the origional column and then bolt the patrol box and shat in place.


JEs

but you don't need 55 column, you can use 60 or 75 columns too...

but you have to replace the column/tube dont you?

JEs

RUFF wrote:

jessie928 wrote: the reason for using patrol gear is i dont have to chase 55 series steering column and then the shaft.

JEs

So it has nothing to do with the fact you believe the patrol box is stronger?

no not the main reason, it fits without sourcing any further parts other than a patrol, which are a dime a dozen, its an easy fit so to speak.

if you check my original message you will see the tongue in cheek comment

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jessie928 wrote:

bad_religion_au wrote:

jessie928 wrote:

RUFF wrote:

jessie928 wrote: patrol boxes cop alot of load from articulation and shock loading from the suspension.

enter the GU box.

Jes

The panhard takes care of shock loading from the suspension. Not the steering link otherwise there would be guys with broken fingers,thumbs and wrists at almost every 4wd comp.


The same design box as a 60 series is used in, Hilux(with cross over steering),80 series,75 series, Bundera. Non of these are known for suffering breakage. The only difference between these boxes in the mounting bolt pattern.

I really dont care why your using the GQ over the 60 series but justifying it by saying they are stronger is pretty stupid.

panhard does not take the load of the draglink trying to pull the steering box down , or does not take a beating when the passanger wheel has dropped into a hole and then punched sideways.

the reason for using patrol gear is i dont have to chase 55 series steering column and then the shaft.

with patrol gear, all that you do is put a bush or a bearing at the end of the origional column and then bolt the patrol box and shat in place.


JEs

but you don't need 55 column, you can use 60 or 75 columns too...

but you have to replace the column/tube dont you?

JEs

there are a few ways of doing it. if you use 60 stuff you need to lengthen the intermediate shaft. the 75 stuff should fit in when you shorten the columns (easy to do as they're collapseable

At least using the 40 column you dont have some half assed looking steering column sticking out of the dash. Im yet to see a 40 series look right around the column unless fitted with the 40 column.

RUFF wrote:At least using the 40 column you dont have some half assed looking steering column sticking out of the dash. Im yet to see a 40 series look right around the column unless fitted with the 40 column.

yes thats what i hate!
you can never get the same location, height of the 40 column, it just doesent look right with any other column.
JEs

RUFF wrote:At least using the 40 column you dont have some half assed looking steering column sticking out of the dash. Im yet to see a 40 series look right around the column unless fitted with the 40 column.

i've seen a good 75 series column swap into the later model 40 GX with the dash pads

bad_religion_au wrote:

RUFF wrote:At least using the 40 column you dont have some half assed looking steering column sticking out of the dash. Im yet to see a 40 series look right around the column unless fitted with the 40 column.

i've seen a good 75 series column swap into the later model 40 GX with the dash pads

one of my cruisers is an 84 lX with the crash pad, i reakon it makes the dash look poofy.

JEs

RUFF wrote:At least using the 40 column you dont have some half assed looking steering column sticking out of the dash. Im yet to see a 40 series look right around the column unless fitted with the 40 column.

I agree with this in part, I have seen one only done really well...

It takes a lot of extra effort to get it right.


Jes if you are connecting an intermediate shaft to a sateering box it doesnt matter whether its 60 or 75 or GQ, its a simple matter of a bearing and the shaft.

I have got away with just running a bush on the shaft too..

bj on roids wrote:

RUFF wrote:At least using the 40 column you dont have some half assed looking steering column sticking out of the dash. Im yet to see a 40 series look right around the column unless fitted with the 40 column.

I agree with this in part, I have seen one only done really well...

It takes a lot of extra effort to get it right.


Jes if you are connecting an intermediate shaft to a sateering box it doesnt matter whether its 60 or 75 or GQ, its a simple matter of a bearing and the shaft.

I have got away with just running a bush on the shaft too..

yeah i realise that, i'll see how it goes, i have come across a few more options


Jes

cool, well take some pics and keep us posted.

Just saw this thread:

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/vi ... p?t=122877

and had a chuckle and thought about back to this thread

WELL I NEVER

2 nissans with snapped steering bockses



Whats the bet Karma snaps the one in my GQ