Lokka Lockrite difflock

[Boss]

Morning Ladies and Gents

After seeing whaqt difflocks can do over the weekend I want to know about these, has anyone got one in the rear diff and what do you think of it?

Cheers

[TR3LOS351]

hmmm just lookin at some topics to see if anything has been said bout lockrite lokka's but nothing! i want to put them in the arse of my GQ as the LSD is stuffed so if anyone has info that could help?

[shorty_f0rty]

hmmm just lookin at some topics to see if anything has been said bout lockrite lokka's but nothing! i want to put them in the arse of my GQ as the LSD is stuffed so if anyone has info that could help?

yeh .. no ones discussed this at all before...

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[Struth]

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[UrbanRedneck]

Search sucks

X2 it may come up with that many results but you trawl through them (most crap not even related) and find you wasted an hour or two to find nothing you were after.

IF YOU DONT WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION DONT

Why is it that most people on this forum just want a bit*& session

[taspatrol]

i put a lokka in the front of my mk swb and it was easy but i think you willneed to get a non lsd center but i am not 100% on that but i am very impressed with it

[Troopy93]

I have Richmond Gears Powertrax Noslip Lockers in my Troopy, an advanced version of the Lockright lockers, NOT LOKKA. I find them great , the rear is just like an LSD on road with very smooth operation. Bearing in mind that I drive sensibly, ie not hooning around roundabouts etc.

I do notice a little bit of difference in the steering when the front is engaged off road but only in that it is a little heavier and the return to centre is more agressive. These are excellent offroad and have made the Troopy so much more capable it's scary.

And with our dollar at record highs you could most likely get front and rear lockers delivered from the states for under a $1000.00 au. Go here for a look... www.rocky-road.com

cheers Troopy93

[Toyeatre]

I have had a lokka/Lockrite fitted to the front of my GQ for the past 3 years or so.. It has never given me a problem and I do give it a hard time.. The only time something broke was not the lokkers fault.. was the fact of 3000rpm in low range 1st.. and landing on one front wheel.... and Kaboom!!!! front CV go bye byes..

Yes an air locker would probably be better.. for the control factor.. But you soon get accustomed to the different steering etc..

I have never had one in the back.. But I would say, after you change your driving habbits.. ie.. not accelerating hard in a bend.. it would be ok..

And yes.. there is potential for much debate about these things.

Good luck.. and have fun..

[bigcam]

auto lockers suck... buy an air locker...



hehehe


someone had to do it.




nah bang for buck cant go wrong, if its a daily expect to change your driving style and make sure you take note of clearances when installing, if you don't like it pull it out sell it and get something different a million opinions are not worth just one if its your own.

by the way expect this thread to have 400 replies and nothing more than differing opinions that probably wont help you.. good luck.

[bigcam]

Search sucks

X2 it may come up with that many results but you trawl through them (most crap not even related) and find you wasted an hour or two to find nothing you were after.

IF YOU DONT WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION DONT

Why is it that most people on this forum just want a bit*& session

you didn't answer the question

[hutzi*RJ70*bundera]

ive got richmond gear produts, powertrx lockright in the front and the advanced powertrax no-slip going into the rear.. the fronts awesome, no banging, clicking or any real disadvantage, maybe bit stiffer steering!!!
http://www.rocky-road.com/
great prices

[duncan]

Definatly fit one to the front diff have fitted a least a dozen to different cars never had a problem cheap and awsome .I have run one in the rear and wouldnt do it agian just not nice on the road you will take it out in a few weeks fit an air locker to the rear so when its in the off postion its like a standard diff.

Duncan

[Nelso]

What size tyres do you run and on what car? If it's only 31 inch tyres go the auto locker in the front. If you are intending on running 37s or bigger don't bother as you will destroy CVs. With big tyres you need to be able to turn the front locker off but you can get away with it with small tyres, depending on what diffs you have.

[jimbo jones]

just go with the air lockers in the front and rear you wont regret it

jimbo

[grazza]

I have a front lokka - works very well for slow speed wheeling.

However its not the best for touring on wet muddy roads at speed, to the point where you cannot run in 4WD since its more dangerous than 2WD when the front is always locked.

Luckily the Patrol is part-time 4wd.

If I had to do it again I would save for an air locker or keep dreaming of the perfect traction control.

[duncan]

Nelso have you ever had locrites dosent sound like it with your comment about tyre size.

I ran 38 swampers on my gq wagon for 3 years only broke 1 cv and that was bouncing the shit out of iton a steep climb to get out of a ditch all my fault.

Guys over here are still running them on rock buggies on 37s and 38s .Now alot of the 35 brigade are stepping up to 37s still no problems with the lockers it all depends on how much of a right foot driver you are.With air lockers once there on its very hard to steer the vehicle try turning with the rear locker still on not much fun.

Value for money nothing beats them.

Please explain how you drive out of the middle of no were after your compressor ,presure switch ,solinoid or air line fails some of this stuff you could carry as spares but who carries a spare compressor.ARB lockers are very good but the components that run then are crap.Check out all the posts on this board about component failure no air no go.

Duncan

[ROGQ]

isnt it also correct that an air locker won't unlock with too much pressure on the wheels, Don't the wheels have to be moving for it to unlock? wouldn't this create drama's in some situations?

[Nelso]

Nelso have you ever had locrites dosent sound like it with your comment about tyre size.

I ran 38 swampers on my gq wagon for 3 years only broke 1 cv and that was bouncing the shit out of iton a steep climb to get out of a ditch all my fault.

Guys over here are still running them on rock buggies on 37s and 38s .Now alot of the 35 brigade are stepping up to 37s still no problems with the lockers it all depends on how much of a right foot driver you are.With air lockers once there on its very hard to steer the vehicle try turning with the rear locker still on not much fun.

Value for money nothing beats them.

Please explain how you drive out of the middle of no were after your compressor ,presure switch ,solinoid or air line fails some of this stuff you could carry as spares but who carries a spare compressor.ARB lockers are very good but the components that run then are crap.Check out all the posts on this board about component failure no air no go.

Duncan

A good mate of mine used to destroy CVs often when he had his auto locker in his GQ but since fitting the airlocker has not broke one and he runs 38 super swampers (when he ran 35s he never broke any CVs). He swears it was the auto locker with the big tyres that was the cause of all his breakages, one of which happened just inching forward waiting in line at the Nissan Trials a couple of years ago. I am just going by this info as you are right, I don't have a lockright, I have air lockers. I was tempted to get an auto but was put off by a lot of people taking them out and fitting air lockers, so I waited a little longer so I could get what many would say is the better option. You don't see too many comp TRUCKS running auto lockers so I went for the preferred option in competition. Since it's common to run a welded diff in a light buggy I can see why an auto locker is a viable option, but you can't compare how a product performs, in two very different applications.

My opinion based on my experiences (even if they didn't happen to me) are different to yours and that's a good thing, as the person asking for opinions gets a better understanding of the pros and cons of said product. As for value for money I couldn't agree more, but there are applications that I would not use an auto locker in.

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

I had a powertrax lockrite in the rear of an FJ40. it was tops.
cheap, never broke running 35s.
the lokka one though i have heard mixed reports.

if i was you and was wanting one, go USA. our dollar is really strong now, you will probably have one landed for $400ish.

[Hamo]

Any one know where in usa i can buy a detroit locker (links to web sites please)To fit a 1982 fj45 i have seen them on one site for $657usd but they wont ship to aus and the rouge aus distrs want $1000+gst
Might aswell buy the air locker if i can't get one for the right price

[joey2389]

ive got a 92 ifs 4runner on 33s. which would be better to run a lockrite in . front or rear? any info woul be sweet. cheers joey2389.

[me3@neuralfibre.com]

ive got a 92 ifs 4runner on 33s. which would be better to run a lockrite in . front or rear? any info woul be sweet. cheers joey2389.

Rear Rear Rear Rear Rear Rear Rear Rear Rear Rear Rear Rear

You'll get twenty ppl now say front

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Paul

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

Any one know where in usa i can buy a detroit locker (links to web sites please)To fit a 1982 fj45 i have seen them on one site for $657usd but they wont ship to aus and the rouge aus distrs want $1000+gst
Might aswell buy the air locker if i can't get one for the right price

mate save some coin and buy a lockrite.
the warranty on a lockrite is very good. i think its 2 yrs on any tyre size.
try central4wd.com
or rocky something.

[mule75]

Please explain how you drive out of the middle of no were after your compressor ,presure switch ,solinoid or air line fails some of this stuff you could carry as spares but who carries a spare compressor.ARB lockers are very good but the components that run then are crap.Check out all the posts on this board about component failure no air no go.

Duncan

i carry spare air line, joiners and run two compressors. one arb electric and one endless air. the arb is just there for the lockers but the endless is set up so it can back up if there is a problem. if people want to run their airlines in stupid places and rip them out don't blame arb. you can get heavy duty airline anyway and you won't break that. do you rip out your brake lines?????!!!!!!!!!! then why would you do airlines?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i don't have any problems with my air lockers EVER!!


auto's are good value for money but they're still not the real deal.

[Yom]

ive got a 92 ifs 4runner on 33s. which would be better to run a lockrite in . front or rear? any info woul be sweet. cheers joey2389.

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Paul

Paul, Would I be right in assuming that a properly setup autolocker in the rear of a part time 4x4 vehicle would be just like a really tight LSD? ie: very predictable - just dont go putting the power on mid corner and it won't cause you any headaches. Benefit is of course that you have constant drive to the rear wheels (the ones with the most flex in offroad situations) with just enough slip to allow safe road driving. Plus then you dont have issues with CV's or hubs.

Cheers

[me3@neuralfibre.com]

ive got a 92 ifs 4runner on 33s. which would be better to run a lockrite in . front or rear? any info woul be sweet. cheers joey2389.

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Paul

Paul, Would I be right in assuming that a properly setup autolocker in the rear of a part time 4x4 vehicle would be just like a really tight LSD? ie: very predictable - just dont go putting the power on mid corner and it won't cause you any headaches. Benefit is of course that you have constant drive to the rear wheels (the ones with the most flex in offroad situations) with just enough slip to allow safe road driving. Plus then you dont have issues with CV's or hubs.

Cheers

Unfortunatley no, nothing like LSD. I could spin my "free" wheel with my little finger whilst other was locked.
http://neuralfibre.com/paul/?p=162
If you boot it mid corner in the rain the inside wheel will start to go, then you'll get this funny feeling as the outside wheel does all the work, pushing you round the corner. If you boot it too hard and spin both, then like a rear LSD it will oversteer instead of just spinning one wheel. I had no problems, but you do tend to use less throttle mid corner as with only the inside wheel driving, there is less traction avaiable. Nothing nasty happens if you do spin it, as it never really lights up, just slips up to outside speed, but not ideal for tyre wear.

My logic is that lockers and flex have very little to do with each other. Once a wheel is hanging, you are out of travel. Goign up a steep hill with one front wheel in the air there is only 1 wheel with any real grip, the rear that has weight on it. The split would be for example
Front Right - Nothing
Front Left - 35%
Rear Right - 60%
Rear Left - 5%

Which one do you reckon will give the most push up the hill?
Now the counter argument is "but both rears are touching, you don't need to lock that diff". I don't regard 5% as having anything worthwhile on it. and you only get to put down torque to the rear until that 5% tyre slips.

The "choose when to lock it" makes no sense to me either. The auto locker is never locked or unlocked. I can't see many sitations where it's behavior is a detriment, except possibly steep downhills in the front diff. It is a weak spot in the hilux IFS and that would make it work harder. I broke mine as an open diff. I would consider an air locker for the front of the 4runner simply because the unit is stronger, not for the locking so much.

Tip. If you smash a front diff, you can simply drop the caps from the front axles to disconnect them and drive home without spinning the smashed diff. 6 small nuts and hammer for the cone washers.

Finally, they are walk in the park to fit yourself compared to an air locker.

Paul

[chops_Drover]

I am very suprised no one has said anything about the front being better to lock in an IFS vehicle
-The front does not have anywhere near as much travel as the rear therefore more often one of the wheels is off the ground.
-As mentioned when travelling uphill more weight is on the rear therefore evenmore likely to lose traction on front wheel.
-Not noticeable on a part time 4wd when the car is driven in 2wd.

However,

The IFS cv's are more likely to fail as more load is put on each joint.
Downhills can be a bit of a worry when getting used to the locker.-On any vehicle

[joey2389]

my cvs are having trouble wth 33s on the but they were rooted when i first bought the car. if i get the front locked and the cv's replaced what are the chances of my cvs crapping themselfs again? would this be more of a reason to get the back locked or will new cv's put up with alot before they die. joey2389

[me3@neuralfibre.com]

my cvs are having trouble wth 33s on the but they were rooted when i first bought the car. if i get the front locked and the cv's replaced what are the chances of my cvs crapping themselfs again? would this be more of a reason to get the back locked or will new cv's put up with alot before they die. joey2389

CV's wont care about locker on road (assuming you don't have ADD)
Off road it'll work them harder, but it bet that's bugger all KM's actualyl spent off road.

Angle kills CV's, as does KMs. Consider Free Wheeling Hubs, or just ignore them, you'll get 150,000km from a set lifted. 33" are neither here nor there for wear. Breaking due to overload is a seperate discussion.

Paul

[sloshy]

my hilux
front airlocker
broke too many cv's
sold it bought an auto locker
got the shits with it breaking the springs and pins
and still broke cv's and axles
sold it bought another air locker, 30 spline cromo's and hub gears
problem solved