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I was watching the OBC 07 DVD and noticed how quick the winches were in the Thai suzuki's. Does anybody know anything about the winches, type, brand etc.

I think there called the SPIRIT WINCH I believe they run on a diff setup,& the only draw back is they have no brake,they have been deemed NO-GO in QLD events whitch is a shame cause they frigin fly,winchin at 40klm/ph
get onto Chris Hummer in Melb he will know

pigletracing wrote:I think there called the SPIRIT WINCH I believe they run on a diff setup,& the only draw back is they have no brake,they have been deemed NO-GO in QLD events whitch is a shame cause they frigin fly,winchin at 40klm/ph
get onto Chris Hummer in Melb he will know

do a site search .. in the search field put in god and winch (the and is important so it looks for bothe terms)

After doing a quick search and read .. compe back and ask any further questions.

I thought its in the best interest of the sport to promote development.Look all the mods that are done to comp trucks.

youd think so, also herd there cheaper than a high mount,but some event organisers hold their rule books close to their hearts, & theres not a large variety of comps in QLD, so we play their game, their way...
wouldnt want em to take their bat & ball & piss off home !!!!!

pigletracing wrote:youd think so, also herd there cheaper than a high mount,but some event organisers hold their rule books close to their hearts, & theres not a large variety of comps in QLD, so we play their game, their way...
wouldnt want em to take their bat & ball & piss off home !!!!!

So you dont think the fact the winch has no brake is any kind of Safety Issue?

RUFF wrote:

pigletracing wrote:youd think so, also herd there cheaper than a high mount,but some event organisers hold their rule books close to their hearts, & theres not a large variety of comps in QLD, so we play their game, their way...
wouldnt want em to take their bat & ball & piss off home !!!!!

So you dont think the fact the winch has no brake is any kind of Safety Issue?

Just a point, in a worse case scenario- wouldn't applying hand brake, foot brake or stalling in gear stop the drum?? Of course this would work if the input shaft or diff failed.

Just a thought

Daniels

the problem is that if your clutch is rooted it will keep rolling back. iff you accidentally knock it out of drive you fly backwards. with an electric or normal pto there is an automatic brake that kicks in when not driven to stop the cable unwinding.

RUFF wrote:

pigletracing wrote:youd think so, also herd there cheaper than a high mount,but some event organisers hold their rule books close to their hearts, & theres not a large variety of comps in QLD, so we play their game, their way...
wouldnt want em to take their bat & ball & piss off home !!!!!

So you dont think the fact the winch has no brake is any kind of Safety Issue?

I can see where your coming from Ruff, but if a air free spooled winch fails in the freespool the winch also has no brake, and a few have failed.

tuf045 wrote:

RUFF wrote:

pigletracing wrote:youd think so, also herd there cheaper than a high mount,but some event organisers hold their rule books close to their hearts, & theres not a large variety of comps in QLD, so we play their game, their way...
wouldnt want em to take their bat & ball & piss off home !!!!!

So you dont think the fact the winch has no brake is any kind of Safety Issue?

I can see where your coming from Ruff, but if a air free spooled winch fails in the freespool the winch also has no brake, and a few have failed.

geez i forgott about that too, damn free spool.

tuf045 wrote:

RUFF wrote:

pigletracing wrote:youd think so, also herd there cheaper than a high mount,but some event organisers hold their rule books close to their hearts, & theres not a large variety of comps in QLD, so we play their game, their way...
wouldnt want em to take their bat & ball & piss off home !!!!!

So you dont think the fact the winch has no brake is any kind of Safety Issue?

I can see where your coming from Ruff, but if a air free spooled winch fails in the freespool the winch also has no brake, and a few have failed.

I actually thought some comps had banned the Air Freespool as well for this same reason?

would it be possible to make up a brake system that kicked in automatically when not driven in or out, like the have to have you foot on a pedal when winching or it brakes?

The way i understand they work is that you have an open diff centre; on one side you have a disc brake, on the other you have a winch drum & the pinion is driven from a PTO.
The disc brake is lever operated from inside the cab. When you start winching the drum turns and takes up the slack in the cable. once there is pressure on the drum side of the diff you apply the disc brake to the other side, which inturn since it is an open diff, more power is transfered to the winch drum side.
Someone correct me if i'm wrong but i think thats how they work..

RUFF wrote:

pigletracing wrote:youd think so, also herd there cheaper than a high mount,but some event organisers hold their rule books close to their hearts, & theres not a large variety of comps in QLD, so we play their game, their way...
wouldnt want em to take their bat & ball & piss off home !!!!!

So you dont think the fact the winch has no brake is any kind of Safety Issue?

So chris putting 4 motor's on his full custom winch doesn't slow down anywhere near as quick as a single motor one does.I you aren't in the winch challenge comps but it just bugs me when ppl use Safety as an excuse to stop the progress of future development don't mean you but the event organizer's.

he is an event organiser so you do mean him. safety is the reason very few people die in australian motorsport, they think about what might happen and try as hard as possible to spot the problem and rectify it before anyone gets hurt.

i think the inches are awsome, they look just as dangerous as any device that winds up quickly and pulls a heavy load along the ground or through the air.

have a look at the rules riggers have to follow, crane cables are checked all the time, motors/brakes etc. aswell and cables are replaced very often. all to minimise risk.

chunderlicious wrote:he is an event organiser so you do mean him. safety is the reason very few people die in australian motorsport, they think about what might happen and try as hard as possible to spot the problem and rectify it before anyone gets hurt.

i think the inches are awsome, they look just as dangerous as any device that winds up quickly and pulls a heavy load along the ground or through the air.

have a look at the rules riggers have to follow, crane cables are checked all the time, motors/brakes etc. aswell and cables are replaced very often. all to minimise risk.

So make them put a brake on them we are talking the top end comp trucks.So if someone spends $25000 on a motor I can see a problem spending $ to upgrade a winch.

Iwas talking to Rohan canavan and he thinks that the thais shouldn't have been allowed to compete as their cars were not built to the rules which is fair enough but i have to say they were awsome in terms of speed.

RUFF wrote:

tuf045 wrote:

RUFF wrote:

pigletracing wrote:youd think so, also herd there cheaper than a high mount,but some event organisers hold their rule books close to their hearts, & theres not a large variety of comps in QLD, so we play their game, their way...
wouldnt want em to take their bat & ball & piss off home !!!!!

So you dont think the fact the winch has no brake is any kind of Safety Issue?

I can see where your coming from Ruff, but if a air free spooled winch fails in the freespool the winch also has no brake, and a few have failed.

I actually thought some comps had banned the Air Freespool as well for this same reason?

I've heard the same thing and i believe its only a matter of time before the rules change and winches will be capped as far as motors (no# of) and other mods are concerned, and i support this.

ben

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there is no reason at all that these winches cannot be made with an automatic braking system. Besides that, if the cable breaks the automatic braking system wont do much good anyway.