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I am considering buying a car for the missus. She likes the Prado and I (of course) like the Disco.

I need to know the strengths and weaknesses of the Disco2 compared to the Prado so that I can convince her that the Disco is the way to go.

All help greatly appreciated.

Thanks guys.

The Disco is a Land Rover. The Prado is a Toyota.

How much more convincing does she need to buy the D2?

We have a Prado at work (06 GXL model). It has the most uncomfortable driver's seat I have ever experienced.

Utemad wrote:The Disco is a Land Rover. The Prado is a Toyota.

How much more convincing does she need to buy the D2?

We have a Prado at work (06 GXL model). It has the most uncomfortable driver's seat I have ever experienced.

id throw the live axle business but chances are the prado with independent suspension is probibly a more comfy on road drive after all its designed for a people mover more then a off road beast

ROVERNIT wrote:id throw the live axle business but chances are the prado with independent suspension is probibly a more comfy on road drive after all its designed for a people mover more then a off road beast

That is an interesting point as it is what I expected when I drove the Prado as I used to have a Rodeo with IFS and its front end was great on road for bumps.
However I drove into/through a pothole in the work prado that I have also hit in my Disco1. I was quite surprised at the bang and fuss the Prado made while the Disco handled it better. Maybe the Prado had really high tyre pressures?

The Prado we have is a turbo diesel auto (not sure which engine) and that is very quiet and gutsy up to 60km/h but it is slow to accelerate above that.
Very good visible build quality too as is expected from the big T.

Still get the Landy though.

Thanks guys...

I had heard that the Prado seat was uncomfortable. The build quality of the Prado and availability of aftermarket parts are plusses...as is the 180L fuel capacity...but no real point having these things if you feel phucked after a long drive

I know about the front "suicide-bomber double cardin shaft" issue with the D2 and would be changing it to greasable whilst the ECU was remapped and 3" mandrel exhaust were going on.

Is there a long range tank available for D2s? And what size tyre is realistically possible with a 2" lift?

This car wont be used for much off-road work - thats what my Fender is for. More of a daily driver for the fairer half and family tourer.

ARB/OOT, LRA and Browns do LR tanks for the D2.

Depending on which you get, you can have from about 140 - 200 litres under the rear, and depending on if you have ACE or SLS you can get 50 - 60 litres under each sill.

I was rear ended by a 05 prado doing 80k in my ser 1 disco and while i drove home and are still driving it while waiting for it to be repaired his prado was written off total front end was stuffed and you can only notice my car by the bent rear bumper/step i was stationary at a set of lights when he hit me

Cheers Russ

My sister has a fairly new Prado, the kids get car sick in the third row of seats as the airconditioning does not reach them, if she was aware of this they would have got hthe later model with the split system. I have a 1990 rangie and find it better to drive, the prado feels more rear wheel drive rather than 4wd. Can't comment on the disco, always had rangies.

Cheers Guy

we have a 05 Prado at work, a turbo diesel and have to agree with the seat comment, almost as bad as the standard Triton seats. Yes the engine is quiet and willing unless you are towing, and then it simply runs out of powers, having to be flogged mercilessly to tow anything of any substance (eg., 18 foot tinny) at any decent speeds - whereupon it guzzles fuel at an alarming rate and sounds like it will grendade one day. Fleet car, so who cares? Good resale value though due to the Toyota "it must be good" marketing and soccermum attraction - not too big but big enough to make a statement that "I am not locked into suburbia and I can escape to the wilderness any time".

Given the work unit tows a lot, the next vehicle will not be a TD Prado, but either a petrol V6 or a Landcruiser/Patrol. Can't buy LRs, so that's a shame:(

Prado design is definetely targetted at the soccer mums or urban cowboys and quickly shows it's design compormises on country roads where the suspension crashes and bangs and the engine lacks power and torque, making it frustrating to drive over any distances.

Compared to LR? I would say the LR ride and comfort and driveability over long distances is better and purchase price is lower. Of course LR re-sale value will be lower and perhaps maintenance will be a little higher for the LR (though having bought Toyota parts and seen the Yota service bills, perhaps not).

Personally I prefer the LR becasue I am tall and the Yota seats and seating position is a PIA, and the engine is more willing.

I would go the Disco 2 as I own one but on the hand happy wife is a happy life

hey micka you girly pants! you're asking what 4wd you are allowed to buy?

haha just get the disco...u know u want it!

i really dont think the missus would tell the difference if you rolled up in either!!

you and the boss can take my old mans TD5 for a spin if you want to convince her majesty!

anytime bud, just call, but his hasn't got the flash leather and gimmicks i know u want.

You need 180 ltrs in the playdoh, they suck the diesel down, mate has an 05 td and he is lucky to get what i get from 88 ltrs ! -mind you its his wifes car and she only goes to the local shopping centre in it.

Hay Micka Just ask crokie what Prados are like. And how Toyota treats its customers with major faults that could be life threatening.
Go the LR for shore.

My TD 5 was chipped and would easily beat a v8,while getting 12l/100k a

round town with the trailer on.
split climate control aircond
traction control good on the rrocks or wet roads
Just remember that after150000km it can cost big bucks like injectors $1800 each
damn nice to drive
character that the prado will never have.

I've had the 03 Prado TDI and now an 01 Disco TD5. The Prado was good, and yes very uncomfortable driving position, I do up to 35000 clicks a year and for a basic seat in the PlayDoh, no lubmar support etc on standard or even GLX model, I suffered with back problems till I got the Disco. This is my second Disco and I love it. More grunt, better driving posy,sounds gutsier & handles well. The PlayDoh was a fine vehicle, but Toyota service was nothing to write home about. But if you want a car for the missus, need to carry 8 passengers,drive long distance (hence long range tank), the PlayDoh is the one to be seen about town in......but I'd still go the Disco.
Cheers,
Larry

Oh hey, I forgot to add......
My Prado, even though it was an ok car, just didn't have the same drivability that the disco has. It suffered hugely from turbo lag when you sink the boot. The TDi needs to be serviced every 5000km!! they won't tell you that when you buy it, the Jap diesel motor produces soot like no other(black as night).....the oil in the disco hardly gets over a mid to dark transparent brown.

Apart from that, it sucked when I resold it for a lot less than what I thought i'd get after 3 years. Anyway, that's my bitch.

Buy the Landy!

Simplest way is to get her in both of them on the same day and have them for a few hrs eash and take them for a good run also make her sit in the back and she will see how crappy the playdoh's ride the drivers seat is shyte tho the back seats are worse and theres no leg room if you guys have kids or are experimenting in that feild you will need the d2 my brother had one and his missus got a playdoh handed to her and they sold the d2 bad move the V8 d2 wasent much worse than the TD playdoh at the bowser and had twice the grunt like i said get in a few and drive em for at least 2hrs each you will see the d2 shine were the playdoh wil be dull

Go the disco especially if you like off-road (if you didnt you wouldnt be here).

You should get much better value and with all the wizz bang stuff on a later model it is well tried and trusted. Just make sure you get one with a diff-lock.

Despite what some people may say the prados ifs is a real pain off-road and they are not as robust as you might think (even with the big T behind them).

Both cars will take 32's but will need a bit of loving for 33s.

Also a basic 2 inch lift on the disco can be had for around $300 for a set of springs and around $1,500 for the prado....etc.

Its been a bloody long time since I first asked about the '04 Disco Vs '04 Prado thing, and I have some news....



D I S C O

Dude..... it took you 2 years to decide between the 2?


Good choice though!

Slunnie wrote:Dude..... it took you 2 years to decide between the 2?


Good choice though!

No...took me 2 years to buy my Rangie, mod it, buy my bobcat and excavator, go to Europe, get married, and a heap of other shit before I could finally wear her down and brainwash her into thinking that Prados are shit

I am calling a yard tomorrow about an '04 7 seater. Its a V8...but the purchase price may be too good to pass up.

Ok Guys WTF is going on with discos around this age

Seems they are selling like hot cakes! Petrol and TD5s.
Obviously we all know why we should buy a rover but why the fark is everyone else buying them now?? Have we finally got thru to all the 10 inch lifted cruiser / nissan boys with there 33s that there is a better way

Anyways Good to see there is a demand for them. Maybe it is the fact that they are a damn good car and have just fallen into a real obtainable price bracket.

If you are trying to sell a disco to a woman I would point out:
Cruise control on all models as std
dual climate control
nice stero with steering wheel controls
high seating position
compact vehicle with easy to see corners but plenty of room
child seat restraints on all rear seats

just to start with....
Do not forget to replace the steering bump stops with the 21 mm stops rather than the 27 makes it much better to steer in car parks

stinger wrote:If you are trying to sell a disco to a woman I would point out:
Cruise control on all models as std
dual climate control
nice stero with steering wheel controls
high seating position
compact vehicle with easy to see corners but plenty of room
child seat restraints on all rear seats

just to start with....
Do not forget to replace the steering bump stops with the 21 mm stops rather than the 27 makes it much better to steer in car parks

Tried all of that and it didn't work...so I just belted her and now she agrees with me.

Why not buy a P38 HSE? There not that much more expensive these days.

RUFF wrote:Why not buy a P38 HSE? There not that much more expensive these days.

ewww

RUFF wrote:Why not buy a P38 HSE? There not that much more expensive these days.

Want the 7 seats.

Micka wrote:

RUFF wrote:Why not buy a P38 HSE? There not that much more expensive these days.

Want the 7 seats.

planning a clan of rug rats eh!

1: Rovers suck balls
2: My 04 Playdoh Grande has lumbar support and is bloody comfortable to drive, plus the 4L V6 petrol (diesel also sucks balls) is quite fun to drive.
3: Micka, WTF? I thought you guys were married? About time you gave up living in sin and made an honest woman out of her!
4: Haven't seen Crokie in years, what did Toyota screw him around with Nottie?
5: Hi Grimace.

^^^

1. I quite like having my balls sucked, so the Rover will be good.
2. Ooooh...lumbar support. My '87 Rangie also has that
3. Yes, Ray...we are married. 1 year next month.
4. The IFS shit itself while he was towing his buggy and Toyota basically told him to get farked, even though it was under warranty.
5. Grimace loves the cawk.