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Found these on ebay...

So is the rocky stud pattern the same as the suzuki's?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... mot_widget

Yes it is, doesn't make them a better idea than on a Suzuki though. Wheel spacers are a hack way around a problem that's easily fixed with rim offset.

Steve.

geee those are expensive. i can get you a set of wheels for less that that.
offset wheels are just wheels with spacers as part of the mold anyway so spacers like those in that auction are actually decent

disclaimer =by part of the mold i meant that there is additional dish to the center of the wheel

stariondriver wrote:geee those are expensive. i can get you a set of wheels for less that that.
offset wheels are just wheels with spacers as part of the mold anyway so spacers like those in that auction are actually decent

Seen them for something close to $200 EACH from a 4x4 store.

I'm tempted, but at the end of the day, I'll be getting a set of dedicated offroad tires eventually, so may as well just have offset rims.

Rather than rehashing the tech stuff - theres a recent thread on widening wheel track that might be of interest.

Spacers are not as strong as offset wheels in general terms, so if you must have offset then wheels are a better option.

stariondriver wrote: offset wheels are just wheels with spacers as part of the mold anyway so spacers like those in that auction are actually decent

Um, WTF?

Offset wheels are cast or welded with the centre in a different position relative to the rim. there's no "spacer as part of the mold" A rim safely modified by a wheelmaker (steel) or purchased with the correct offset (alloy) is far safer than a separate spacer for a number of reasons covered about every 5 minutes on outers.

Spacers are a poor solution- they double the number of wheelnuts and studs, they are often made from questionable materials, they no longer centre the rim on the hub the way the manufacturer intended, and for these reasons they are illegal for road use.

$75 each is dearer than having the offset changed on your steel rims, and that's the best argument against wheelspacers.

Steve.

with wheel spacers you need to check there tight every few hundred kms
trust me. the only reason i got wheel spacers over offset rims was availability here in the west, everything seems to have to come from you guys in the east, there is only really one place in perth that does it

Gwagensteve wrote:

stariondriver wrote: offset wheels are just wheels with spacers as part of the mold anyway so spacers like those in that auction are actually decent

Um, WTF?

Offset wheels are cast or welded with the centre in a different position relative to the rim. there's no "spacer as part of the mold" A rim safely modified by a wheelmaker (steel) or purchased with the correct offset (alloy) is far safer than a separate spacer for a number of reasons covered about every 5 minutes on outers.

Spacers are a poor solution- they double the number of wheelnuts and studs, they are often made from questionable materials, they no longer centre the rim on the hub the way the manufacturer intended, and for these reasons they are illegal for road use.

$75 each is dearer than having the offset changed on your steel rims, and that's the best argument against wheelspacers.

Steve.

um ya i wasnt trying to start a arguement.perhaps i chose my wording wrong there. true what you say a seperate spacer is not molded into the wheel. but the rim is built offet to the wheel when custum offset wheels are made.
wheel is center part
rim is outer part that the tire makes contact with

the spacer like the one he asked about is fairly reliablre because it bolts to the hub and then bolts to the wheel.

i sell tons of wheels where i work and different offset wheels do have different )more or less) material in the wheels part wich is where part of the offset comes from. i didnt just make up my reply to try and sound smart.

the spacers i see some people use are the sndwich style wich just bolt between the wheel and hub. thats why i say the ones that 4RunnerBoy asked about are a usable option and not really any worse than offset rims as far as more susspension stress. nothing wrong wich retorquing your lug nuts anyway

couple pics of a wheel i have in stock. this is with a 31 10.150 15

the offset is accomplished with the dish of the wheel acitng as the spacer on that front wheel. not just the rim being in a different position as you said



another pic

The front wheels look cool

mine are shinier. still hit the springs without the spacers though

i will be selling mine in the next couple of months for anyone who is interested.

Like the paint job. looks cool. Want to do mine Green/silver.
What size are they .

In our country you can buy all four wheelspacers 38mm for 85EUR or 132 AUD.

http://off.road.oprema.googlepages.com/wheelspacers

rims are 15x8 tyres are 31x10.5 r15
i did have 33" x 10.5 on with wheelspacers and 4" of lift
31's look a bit small now

mrRocky wrote:rims are 15x8 tyres are 31x10.5 r15
i did have 33" x 10.5 on with wheelspacers and 4" of lift
31's look a bit small now

rims are 15x10 tyres are 37x13.5
i did have 33x12 on wheeslspacers and 5" of lift
33's look a bit small now

stariondriver wrote: the offset is accomplished with the dish of the wheel acitng as the spacer on that front wheel. not just the rim being in a different position as you said

Stop confusing yourself. The rim is in a different position relative to the centre in a wheel with different offset. The effect of this is that the wheel has more of less "dish." Nothing is "acting" as anything. In any case, the rims you have posted are different widths which for the same offset will always effect how much "dish" the wheel has- wider rim=more "dish"

Some rims can be manufactured with a range of offsets even if they don't "look" any different. Walker Evans beadlock rims use the same blank and machine the rim for between 3.5 and 5" of backspacing.

A spacer is a spacer and a rim with XX offset is a rim with XX offset. One is safe (and may or may not be illegal), the other is less safe (and totally illegal). That is all.

Steve.

pretty sure i know what rim/tyres are on my car

On my rocky ute I have f100 rims god off set , and they are 16 in ,
some suziki rim fit but the off set is not right as i tryed grand vitara but not the right off set F 100 you can order any thing for them in 15 or 16
15 2nd hand rims hard to get but i payed $80 per rim new for 16 sun riasers 15 are $55 each .

Gwagensteve wrote:

stariondriver wrote: the offset is accomplished with the dish of the wheel acitng as the spacer on that front wheel. not just the rim being in a different position as you said

Stop confusing yourself. The rim is in a different position relative to the centre in a wheel with different offset. The effect of this is that the wheel has more of less "dish." Nothing is "acting" as anything. In any case, the rims you have posted are different widths which for the same offset will always effect how much "dish" the wheel has- wider rim=more "dish"

Some rims can be manufactured with a range of offsets even if they don't "look" any different. Walker Evans beadlock rims use the same blank and machine the rim for between 3.5 and 5" of backspacing.

A spacer is a spacer and a rim with XX offset is a rim with XX offset. One is safe (and may or may not be illegal), the other is less safe (and totally illegal). That is all.

Steve.

damn you just wanna argue huh? thats cool. the rims that i posted have 10" width and actually more offet as well.how can yo usay i am lying about the offset ,i dont remember yo uvisiting my shop and taking a close look at the wheel i posted.you must have came in on my lunch break.
i will post the spec printing off the wheel to show you........
i will show you a pic of a wheel with it own spacer as part of the center too give me a couple days i am off work for a while then i will show you what i mean.

also if you shearch around the "hub centric"spacers are out there
here are some we are doing for the starion club just as an example
http://www.starquestclub.com/forums/vie ... hp?t=66481

dai-hard wrote:The front wheels look cool

for sale
they are definitly a bit wide though lol

KIA SPORTAGE wheels fit dia as well.Not that ive seen any cool ones.

KIA SPORTAGE wheels fit dia as well.Not that ive seen any cool ones.

stariondriver wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:

stariondriver wrote: the offset is accomplished with the dish of the wheel acitng as the spacer on that front wheel. not just the rim being in a different position as you said

Stop confusing yourself. The rim is in a different position relative to the centre in a wheel with different offset. The effect of this is that the wheel has more of less "dish." Nothing is "acting" as anything. In any case, the rims you have posted are different widths which for the same offset will always effect how much "dish" the wheel has- wider rim=more "dish"

Some rims can be manufactured with a range of offsets even if they don't "look" any different. Walker Evans beadlock rims use the same blank and machine the rim for between 3.5 and 5" of backspacing.

A spacer is a spacer and a rim with XX offset is a rim with XX offset. One is safe (and may or may not be illegal), the other is less safe (and totally illegal). That is all.

Steve.

damn you just wanna argue huh? thats cool. the rims that i posted have 10" width and actually more offet as well.how can yo usay i am lying about the offset ,i dont remember yo uvisiting my shop and taking a close look at the wheel i posted.you must have came in on my lunch break.
i will post the spec printing off the wheel to show you........
i will show you a pic of a wheel with it own spacer as part of the center too give me a couple days i am off work for a while then i will show you what i mean.

also if you shearch around the "hub centric"spacers are out there
here are some we are doing for the starion club just as an example
http://www.starquestclub.com/forums/vie ... hp?t=66481

OKay, how's this for you...

I just bought new wheels, with -23mm more offset. (23mm wider than stock).
They look exactly the same as original wheels, and the centre is exactly the same (same angle and depth), although it joins the outer part of the wheel more towards the centre of the rim.

How is this accomplished if the rim is not moved in relation to the wheel centre?

stariondriver wrote:
damn you just wanna argue huh? thats cool. the rims that i posted have 10" width and actually more offet as well.how can yo usay i am lying about the offset ,i dont remember yo uvisiting my shop and taking a close look at the wheel i posted.you must have came in on my lunch break.
i will post the spec printing off the wheel to show you........
i will show you a pic of a wheel with it own spacer as part of the center too give me a couple days i am off work for a while then i will show you what i mean.

also if you shearch around the "hub centric"spacers are out there
here are some we are doing for the starion club just as an example
http://www.starquestclub.com/forums/vie ... hp?t=66481

Cool, so if I buy a rim with spacers already on it, I could unbolt the spacers when I didn't want the extra width? Cool!

I know what offset and backspacing is thanks very much. I just don't know what a rim is with a spacer attached to it. IMHO it's just a rim with a different offset.

Posting a photo of a 4.5" backspaced 7" rim and a 3.5" backspaced (or whatever) 10" rim on the same car is not an example of anything much to do with offset, wheelspacers or, well anything really. I'm pretty sure most people are aware that 10" rims will make their car wider.

If you posted a photo of the same tyre on the car with 2 different rims of different backspacing, then that might help... or not... as I still don't really see how it proves wheelspacers are ok or not, or what a rim with a "built in spacer" is.

Steve.

stariondriver wrote:
"hub centric"spacers are out there here are some we are doing for the starion club just as an example
http://www.starquestclub.com/forums/vie ... hp?t=66481

I don't know anything about "hub centric" spacers.
Do they solve the bearing loading issue ?
Are they better than rim offset ?
Are they legal ?

Info appreciated.

MightyMouse wrote:

stariondriver wrote:
"hub centric"spacers are out there here are some we are doing for the starion club just as an example
http://www.starquestclub.com/forums/vie ... hp?t=66481

I don't know anything about "hub centric" spacers.
Do they solve the bearing loading issue ?
Are they better than rim offset ?
Are they legal ?

Info appreciated.

No.
No.
and um, No.

So the point of using them is ?

Duh, coz theyre fully sick bra

But how can they be fully sick, when they arn't painted yellow and are hidden behind the wheel.