Outer Limits 4x4 Board

g'day all

i washed my uni filter pod filter today and there were metal shavings in it, on the engine side. so i looked closely at the ram tube and my god was i in for a shock! some how the alloy tube had been worn away to the point where it had worn though and the thin aluminum was breaking of and being sucked into the engine! has this happened to any one before?

Was the filter secured or just resting on whatever in the engine bay and rubbing with vibration?

the whole lot is as it should be even the rubber bit where the uni filter attaches is fine. i've owned the car about 3 weeks now, the last owner might have known about the problem and hidden it with a new filter. thing it it's a reco motor thats about 6 months old. so the filter would have been washed to put it on the new motor.

Matt

Fark, that sucks mate!

clean it out and run it, it will either wreck it or it wont, modst likely not

chunks wrote:Fark, that sucks mate!

bj on roids wrote:clean it out and run it, it will either wreck it or it wont, modst likely not

thanks man

i hope it takes it in it's stride... but it's a 3l turbo. it might have shaged the turbo too, but nothing sounds strange.

Matt

Aluminium is light and soft and it looks like they are fine shavings so it might not be as bad as you expect. Obviously you are better off without it going through your engine but I would rather that in my engine than iron filings or even sand or dirt. As BJ said, it's either stuffed or not so change your oil and filter and keep driving it. That said, I hope it turns out all right for you.

Nelso wrote:Aluminium is light and soft and it looks like they are fine shavings so it might not be as bad as you expect. Obviously you are better off without it going through your engine but I would rather that in my engine than iron filings or even sand or dirt. As BJ said, it's either stuffed or not so change your oil and filter and keep driving it. That said, I hope it turns out all right for you.

it is true that of all the foreign things to go into a motor esp. a diesel aluminum, does compress and is kinda soft.

Matt

Nelso wrote:Aluminium is light and soft and it looks like they are fine shavings so it might not be as bad as you expect. Obviously you are better off without it going through your engine but I would rather that in my engine than iron filings or even sand or dirt. As BJ said, it's either stuffed or not so change your oil and filter and keep driving it. That said, I hope it turns out all right for you.

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you will know as it will blow smoke lots

Nelso wrote:Aluminium is light and soft and it looks like they are fine shavings so it might not be as bad as you expect. Obviously you are better off without it going through your engine but I would rather that in my engine than iron filings or even sand or dirt. As BJ said, it's either stuffed or not so change your oil and filter and keep driving it. That said, I hope it turns out all right for you.

x3 Exactly right. Same with other soft metals like copper. We have no choice when removing copper injector tubes in diesels but to let a few shavings escape into cylinder when tapping. Doesnt harm anything.

Another reason to put the OE filter and housing back.

Bazzle

bazzle wrote:Another reason to put the OE filter and housing back.

Bazzle

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bazzle wrote:Another reason to put the OE filter and housing back.

Bazzle

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oh wait it's my thread yeah i bought the truck with the uni filter on it about 3 weeks ago and i've always intended to put the stock one back on but i have to get one from sydney it looks like.

sounds like the aluminum bits arn't too much of a problem for the engine but they might mess up the turbo right?

Matt

Turbo's are tough. If you can't see blade damage it's fine. Even if you can see blade erosion, it's probably still fine. THey don't rub things together, so would have to be "bits" of alloy to be a problem.

I wouldn't worry about the turbo.
Rings and possibly valve seats would be the worry.

Paul

race engines will habdle 0.04mm size particles of shit no problem and being ally should be fine, ever considered the size of the carbon deposites that flake off the combution chamer n pistons?

they will burn up on combustion anyways

Yikes!!! Thats some bad shit mate!!

I've had nothing but trouble with pod filters over the years, nowadays im using a k&n dropin replacement panel filter. It's been really good so far, fits the standard airbox, easy to clean and gave quite a nice increase in power and an improvement in fuel economy.

If I were you i'd be pulling off as many of the intake pipes as possible and giving them a good cleanout. Hope you don't have a turbo mate!

Good luck!

I would not worry. I agree that it would burn up during the combustion process.

Cheers

JAson

the car is now at queenbyan diesel. it seems the turbo is the biggest concern.
does any one know of any good wreckers in canberra? i need an air filter box.

Matt

twinnie wrote:the car is now at queenbyan diesel. it seems the turbo is the biggest concern.
does any one know of any good wreckers in canberra? i need an air filter box.

Matt

I would be very dubious of any mechanic who said the turbo was bothered by the material you posted in the pics. Methinks they are doing the all together to common approach of blame the scary turbo thing.

Paul

me3@neuralfibre.com wrote:

twinnie wrote:the car is now at queenbyan diesel. it seems the turbo is the biggest concern.
does any one know of any good wreckers in canberra? i need an air filter box.

Matt

I would be very dubious of any mechanic who said the turbo was bothered by the material you posted in the pics. Methinks they are doing the all together to common approach of blame the scary turbo thing.

Paul

the mechanic in question comes with a list of recommendations as long as my arm, and what i posted was my vague recollection of what he said. so i wouldn't take it too seriously.

but i'm glad to hear that the turbo shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Matt

Loose aluminium shavings can actually stick to a turbo compressor wheel. It's spinning fast enough that it friction welds in place when it hits.

But if that's happened, you'll see it clearly by looking from the outside into the intake. If it looks fine, then any problem isn't caused by the fluffy bits of aluminium.

twinnie wrote:the car is now at queenbyan diesel. it seems the turbo is the biggest concern.
does any one know of any good wreckers in canberra? i need an air filter box.

Matt

I know you said Canberra but I use K&A in Orange.

me3@neuralfibre.com wrote:

twinnie wrote:the car is now at queenbyan diesel. it seems the turbo is the biggest concern.
does any one know of any good wreckers in canberra? i need an air filter box.

Matt

I would be very dubious of any mechanic who said the turbo was bothered by the material you posted in the pics. Methinks they are doing the all together to common approach of blame the scary turbo thing.

Paul

I would be listening to the region's busiest diesel workshop before i listened to someone on the net!!

As for wreckers there's Glenns 4x4 wrecking out that way.

chunks wrote: I would be listening to the region's busiest diesel workshop before i listened to someone on the net!!

What if the advice on the net was from one of the regions busiest diesel workshops?

Sure there's a lot of BS on the internet, but if you can't filter the good from the bad online, then you can't filter it in real life either.

well i have the truck back and they said it was fine and wound up the boost a bit (without me even asking)... so it must be ok. what was i worrying about eh? thanks to every one for your info.

Matt