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Looking at buying a tow vehicle for a 16ft windsor rapid.
Trips will include the cape and other destinations and eventually around oz.
Was looking at a patrol with td42, or turbo diesel cruiser or turbo diesel prado.
Needs to be auto to keep the wife happy

Patrols don't come in diesel with an auto,prados and cruisers are hard to find also dear.

How would a 4.5 petrol cruiser auto on gas be?

Cheers
Matt

How much are you prepared to spend?

Frankenyota wrote: How would a 4.5 petrol cruiser auto on gas be?

Cheers
Matt

Yukky!

Keep an eye out for an 80 series with a 1HDFT. 24v turbo diesel. Plenty power, good economy, tuff, reliable and comfy.
4.5 on gas will return around 30 litres to 100 k's towing something like that off road.
Cheers Dan.

Was hoping to spend around $30 but depends on what it has.

Like the 1hdft cruiser but not many around.

Ruffy wrote:

Frankenyota wrote: How would a 4.5 petrol cruiser auto on gas be?

Cheers
Matt

Yukky!

Thats what I have, it'll tow my hilux at 120kms/hr + but yeah it returns fuel figures of 27 - 30 per 100kms. Its an older 80 series and I think the motor is on its last legs. But I'd still tow with it any day over a diesel, unless it was either a NEW diesel like in the late 100 series, 200 series or a V8 turbo.

Frankenyota wrote:Was hoping to spend around $30 but depends on what it has.

Like the 1hdft cruiser but not many around.

You'd get an 80 series for that but yeah like you said not many around with an auto.

Only other real choice is either a GU 4.5 on gas or an 80 or 100 series cruiser on gas. Either not on gas just burns out to many wallets when towing.

Petrols are alot cheaper to buy and the engines have good power and torque just thirsty.
Dont know of any major problems.

1hdt have bearing failures and crank problems.
Are the 1hdft better?

what about the v8 petrol cruiser

we are getting any where from 23-25l per 100kmtowing a car trailer at 3.5t

STIKA wrote:what about the v8 petrol cruiser

we are getting any where from 23-25km per 100l towing a car trailer at 3.5t

Are they under 30g now?

STIKA wrote:what about the v8 petrol cruiser

we are getting any where from 23-25km per 100l towing a car trailer at 3.5t

is that 23-25km per 100 litres of fuel

Guts wrote:

STIKA wrote:what about the v8 petrol cruiser

we are getting any where from 23-25km per 100l towing a car trailer at 3.5t

Are they under 30g now?

they are not far off of it for a GXL

Guts wrote:

STIKA wrote:what about the v8 petrol cruiser

we are getting any where from 23-25km per 100l towing a car trailer at 3.5t

Are they under 30g now?

Red book value Oct 2002 $28k - $31K 80, 000k-130, 000Km

sloshy wrote:

STIKA wrote:what about the v8 petrol cruiser

we are getting any where from 23-25km per 100l towing a car trailer at 3.5t

is that 23-25km per 100 litres of fuel

all fixed

STIKA wrote:

sloshy wrote:

STIKA wrote:what about the v8 petrol cruiser

we are getting any where from 23-25km per 100l towing a car trailer at 3.5t

is that 23-25km per 100 litres of fuel

all fixed

I tow my lux with my GU 4.5 and get about that





25km per 100l

Remember there is no substitute for cubic inches when towing, you will have low down torque on hand. Diesel will give better fuel economy than the petrol equivelent. Look at the 4.2 turbo range in both toyota and patrol.



andy

Really needs to be auto so that only leaves toyota diesels.
Am looking at possibitly of putting a auto behind a TD42, but not looking good.

STIKA wrote:
what about the v8 petrol cruiser

we are getting any where from 23-25km per 100l towing a car trailer at 3.5t

Are these figures on petrol or gas?

Matt[/quote]

what about the Ford Mavericks? they go extremely cheap

Where would one find such a vehicle?

Frankenyota wrote:Really needs to be auto so that only leaves toyota diesels.
Am looking at possibitly of putting a auto behind a TD42, but not looking good.

STIKA wrote:
what about the v8 petrol cruiser

we are getting any where from 23-25km per 100l towing a car trailer at 3.5t

Are these figures on petrol or gas?

Matt

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petrol

just remember resale as well. a turbo diesel will hold it's value way better than a petrol. especially if the petrol is an auto and on gas.

Frankenyota wrote:Where would one find such a vehicle?

Its just a re badged GQ patrol. If you want comfort for touring then a GQ would be last on the list even if they had the auto.

Never owned a nissan.
Mate brought a new 100 turbo diesel last year and said it shat all over the gu turbo diesel patrol when he was testing them.

Guts don't you like nissans?

Frankenyota wrote: Guts don't you like nissans?

GU's are nice, possibly would have bought one if they were cheaper at the time when we bought the 80. GQ's are a bucket of puss and way over rated. Ok if all you want is a "toy" but to truck like for a tourer.

Last two cars i've had.

99 GU patrol 4.5 petrol/GAS auto. Unloaded it was OK, factory suspension isn't too bad. Auto leaves a little to be desired. Lacked power for towing (2,500kg tops), dash, seats and interior quite good. headlights good, brakes good, steering so so. Slightly cheaper to run unloaded than cruiser, fuel range on LPG was an issue

00 100 series IFS Turbo diesel. Unloaded it fine, factory suspension sucks balls. 5 speed manual trans (feels like it needs a 6th gear). Towed horses, Hilux, Zook, 60 series cruiser, buggy and all kinds of med weights (2,500-3,000kg) fine. Interior OK, lack of cup holders in the front passenger area a PITA, headlights crap, brakes good (handbrake just OK), steering good. OME suspension made a HUGE difference.

All in all the Cruiser as a mainly road orientated/light tow rig is a ton better than the Patrol. Off road the Patrol did have it won.

Prado's i've found to be that bit too small, they don't cost much less to run than a Cruiser/Patrol either. The additional wheel track of the Cruiser/Patrol has a definite advantage also.

Frankenyota wrote:Am looking at possibitly of putting a auto behind a TD42, but not looking good.

Mine went in today to have the conversion done ..

2 quotes I had to have the conversion done(Drive in Drive out) were $7000+

Guts wrote:

Ruffy wrote:

Frankenyota wrote: How would a 4.5 petrol cruiser auto on gas be?

Cheers
Matt

Yukky!

Thats what I have, it'll tow my hilux at 120kms/hr + but yeah it returns fuel figures of 27 - 30 per 100kms. Its an older 80 series and I think the motor is on its last legs. But I'd still tow with it any day over a diesel, unless it was either a NEW diesel like in the late 100 series, 200 series or a V8 turbo.

A 1HDFT will pull as hard as a 1fze when there towing. only difference is the 1HDFT is built to work. The FT doesn't suffer the same fate as the HDT.
I'd stick by my original comment. If you want power, comfort and reliability then a 1HDFT 80 or 1HDFTE 100 would be on the top of the list.

Drove my mates 100 1hdtfe cruiser before he left to travel oz.
Had OME remote cannister shockys with every accessory he could get, and i was impressed with that.

Just thought a patrol would be similar with some work?
But they have no auto diesels

Hey bogged what work had to done for $7,000?
Sounds a bit rich.


Matt

Frankenyota wrote:Drove my mates 100 1hdtfe cruiser before he left to travel oz.
Had OME remote cannister shockys with every accessory he could get, and i was impressed with that.

Just thought a patrol would be similar with some work?
But they have no auto diesels

Hey bogged what work had to done for $7,000?
Sounds a bit rich.


Matt

Swapping from manual is a big job. Remembering that paying a workshop means you're expecting a proffessional job which takes time. Firstly there's the auto which are pulling a coupla G's for a good late model one. You need to swap entire engine looms to so you have the wiring for the trans and trans computer. Fit sensors to engine and cooling system. Remove interior to fit Gear selector, pedal box and dash cluster. You need to swap the interior wirig loom to the dash so you have operable warnging lights on the dash. There's easy two-two and half days work in doing it right. It's not just bolting a tranny in and go! 7G's sounds pretty right.

I suppose it depends on the model and what is needed / wanted.

Are you doing the swap ruffy?

TD42 is comparable to the 1HZ.. In no way comparable to the 1FZE. Even then the 1HZ is a more 'modern' motor.

Even the late model TD42Ti isn't compareable to the 1FZE. To say the newer toyota motor is leagues ahead as far as efficiency and driveability go would be a complete understatement...

The TD42 is meat pie engineering. Goes forever but won't be getting you anywhere in a hurry. BY the sounds of your posts, its not for you. Even with a turbo strapped to it.