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Just wondering on the different brands of +50 bulbs and whether any are better than others.

I know of phillips and narva. Any others?

(prices and where to buy would be great too)
and yes I tried search here, googled this site and web google to not much avail)

mate,

go the new phillips +80 range

most autoelecs will be able to get them for you from Ashdown/Ingram

rot8s wrote:mate,

go the new phillips +80 range

most autoelecs will be able to get them for you from Ashdown/Ingram

x2 we sell more of them at work

did a quick search and couldnt find any info on the +80's

any1 got a link or know the specs?

mate try

www.invisionsales.com

Ive spent a fortune on plus 50s etc. Im also sorry but I cannot recommend them over brand name normal globes, (cheap sh*t yes)

A relay loom gave the biggest improvement without the cost of overdriven globes.

Bazzle

pantheas18_hj47 wrote:did a quick search and couldnt find any info on the +80's

any1 got a link or know the specs?

Fitted them to my Hilux yesterday, they seem to be OK.

sierrajim wrote:

pantheas18_hj47 wrote:did a quick search and couldnt find any info on the +80's any1 got a link or know the specs?

Fitted them to my Hilux yesterday, they seem to be OK.

sierrajim
any more thoughts on the plus 80's? Heading into darwin tomorrow and will either chase these or bite the bullet and buy the IPF Fatboys

Decisions decisions

I found the IPF fatboys good. Low power draw but i couldn't pick the difference between them and my std halogen 80/120's (or similar).
Pitty they're ~$140 a pair and i couldn't afford to buy a pair to replace the one i destroyed. The reason i ran them in the first place was they they run cooler and are therefor less likely to smash/smash reflectors when splashed/dunked.

-Stu

Slug wrote:

sierrajim wrote:

pantheas18_hj47 wrote:did a quick search and couldnt find any info on the +80's any1 got a link or know the specs?

Fitted them to my Hilux yesterday, they seem to be OK.

sierrajim
any more thoughts on the plus 80's? Heading into darwin tomorrow and will either chase these or bite the bullet and buy the IPF Fatboys

Decisions decisions

I have no expirence with the IPF's. The 80+ are a marked imporvement on the 50+ that i thought were an absolute waste of money (you couldn't see anything when the roads were wet, perhaps too white??). These have a blue tip which must help out somewhat as they're pretty good in wet conditions.

sierrajim wrote:

Slug wrote:

sierrajim wrote:

pantheas18_hj47 wrote:did a quick search and couldnt find any info on the +80's any1 got a link or know the specs?

Fitted them to my Hilux yesterday, they seem to be OK.

sierrajim
any more thoughts on the plus 80's? Heading into darwin tomorrow and will either chase these or bite the bullet and buy the IPF Fatboys

Decisions decisions

I have no expirence with the IPF's. The 80+ are a marked imporvement on the 50+ that i thought were an absolute waste of money (you couldn't see anything when the roads were wet, perhaps too white??). These have a blue tip which must help out somewhat as they're pretty good in wet conditions.

I found the +50 to be not noticably 'whiter' than a standard globe, just brighter.

I also found that any globe with a blue colouring was terrible in the wet weather conditions.

How much are the +80s in H4 60/55?

they are about $80

i have found the narva +50's for $20 at malz

$80 bucks is a bit much for me at the mo. Mayb they will come down in the future

http://www.powerbulbs.com/

You can get the Philips Extreme or Osram Night Breaker (+90%) from just over $50 with free delivery.

I've bought from them before and the bulbs arrived well packed.

They also sell the normal +50% bulbs.

Here's something that should be of interest:

http://forums.overlander.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=54141

(I don't want to re write everything here.... )

we sell the phillips vision plus's at work @ $44.95 never had a set c0ome back boss ahs them in his ute i noticed a big difference

I was running + 50s and 90/130s but i got sick of replacing globes, i went through 1 every 6 months or so. Also i like to run the clear aftermarket lenses with the diffuser on the reflector, which gives you a cleaner light, this was being discoloured by the heat of the higher wattage globes. I have just gone to a set of 55w H4 HIDs and the difference is amazing. Words cannot explain how good they are. It is like daylight for the first 150m in front on low beam. Well worth the $250 outlay.

Andy

andrew e wrote:I was running + 50s and 90/130s but i got sick of replacing globes, i went through 1 every 6 months or so. Also i like to run the clear aftermarket lenses with the diffuser on the reflector, which gives you a cleaner light, this was being discoloured by the heat of the higher wattage globes. I have just gone to a set of 55w H4 HIDs and the difference is amazing. Words cannot explain how good they are. It is like daylight for the first 150m in front on low beam. Well worth the $250 outlay.

Andy

Is the light scattered using a HID in a normal reflector? I thought you weren't meant to use them without projector lenses?

I now run the +80s (thanks to this thread back in the day) and am very happy with them.

They are noticably brighter than the +60s I was running beforehand.

I would like to see some tests like above on the IPF Fatboys, to see if the extra cost is really worth it.

I spent $80 on the +80s, but spending $140 on Fatboys is nearly up there with HIDs.

HotFourOk wrote:

andrew e wrote:I was running + 50s and 90/130s but i got sick of replacing globes, i went through 1 every 6 months or so. Also i like to run the clear aftermarket lenses with the diffuser on the reflector, which gives you a cleaner light, this was being discoloured by the heat of the higher wattage globes. I have just gone to a set of 55w H4 HIDs and the difference is amazing. Words cannot explain how good they are. It is like daylight for the first 150m in front on low beam. Well worth the $250 outlay.

Andy

Is the light scattered using a HID in a normal reflector? I thought you weren't meant to use them without projector lenses?

Its not a projector, its this type

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/PAIR-OF-NEW-ALTE ... dZViewItem

andrew e wrote:

HotFourOk wrote:

andrew e wrote:I was running + 50s and 90/130s but i got sick of replacing globes, i went through 1 every 6 months or so. Also i like to run the clear aftermarket lenses with the diffuser on the reflector, which gives you a cleaner light, this was being discoloured by the heat of the higher wattage globes. I have just gone to a set of 55w H4 HIDs and the difference is amazing. Words cannot explain how good they are. It is like daylight for the first 150m in front on low beam. Well worth the $250 outlay.

Andy

Is the light scattered using a HID in a normal reflector? I thought you weren't meant to use them without projector lenses?

Its not a projector, its this type

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/PAIR-OF-NEW-ALTE ... dZViewItem

So the HID globe utilises a slide mechanism to cutoff the light from the bottom half of the reflector when on low beam then?

HID upgrades to low beam are definitely the go if you can do it without using a "shuttered" lamp. I would expect the shutter mechanism to last all of about 5 minutes in a 4WD on corrugated roads.

The best thing you can do for a hilux is to make / buy a replacement harness for the headlights. If you havent noticed the wiring to the headlights in a hilux is so undersize it's almost dangerous. Improve this and you'll solve the voltage drop problem and your lights will work much better.

If you want to HID it with reliability replace the lamp with a HID for low beam and wire up a set of spotties for high beam - just make sure that the low beam stays lit while your high beam is on - you don't want to be caught waiting for your HID lowbeams to warm up after you've turned off your spotties.

M+S

Have a look at this thread:

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic137190.php

There's a bit on PLUS30 / PLUS50 / PLUS200 globes in there.

I'm not a huge fan of the "just replace it with a bigger one" theory, as it usually causes dramas down the track.

JMO

Coxy

Well I'm very happy with the Osram Night Breakers after just returning from a night drive in the rain. They seem to have made a very noticeable improvement.

The interesting thing in those pics is both the Philips Xtreme and Osram Night Breaker made obvious improvements on low beam, but I'm having trouble picking up much difference (improvement) with the Xtremes on high beam. http://users.on.net/~murcod/bulb%20test/

HotFourOk wrote: So the HID globe utilises a slide mechanism to cutoff the light from the bottom half of the reflector when on low beam then?

Yep, via solonoid with a really strong magnetic return . Pretty trick.

Mick_n_Sal wrote:HID upgrades to low beam are definitely the go if you can do it without using a "shuttered" lamp. I would expect the shutter mechanism to last all of about 5 minutes in a 4WD on corrugated roads.

M+S

Have you ever heard of this happening? I know of people who have had them on their 4wds for a while now (including off road) with no failures to date.

andrew e wrote:

HotFourOk wrote: So the HID globe utilises a slide mechanism to cutoff the light from the bottom half of the reflector when on low beam then?

Yep, via solonoid with a really strong magnetic return . Pretty trick.

Mick_n_Sal wrote:HID upgrades to low beam are definitely the go if you can do it without using a "shuttered" lamp. I would expect the shutter mechanism to last all of about 5 minutes in a 4WD on corrugated roads.

M+S

Have you ever heard of this happening? I know of people who have had them on their 4wds for a while now (including off road) with no failures to date.

There are 3 types of hi/lo bulb mechanisms that I know of.
The sheild moves in and out, the bulb moves in and out, and where the bulb slides at an angle of around 20 or 30 degrees.
I personally prefer where the bulb is stationary and the sheild moves in and out. Has been in my ute since Sep 2005 and were on all the way up the oodna and back which was a decent test for corrugations. Been fine.

andrew e wrote:

HotFourOk wrote: So the HID globe utilises a slide mechanism to cutoff the light from the bottom half of the reflector when on low beam then?

Yep, via solonoid with a really strong magnetic return . Pretty trick.

Mick_n_Sal wrote:HID upgrades to low beam are definitely the go if you can do it without using a "shuttered" lamp. I would expect the shutter mechanism to last all of about 5 minutes in a 4WD on corrugated roads.

M+S

Have you ever heard of this happening? I know of people who have had them on their 4wds for a while now (including off road) with no failures to date.

I sure as hell haven't killed my bulbs or hi/lo solenoids, don't even look close to doing so.

But a combination of water and really REALLY severe vibrations have appeared to killed one of my ballasts.

The whole system seems to be fairly water resistant, I should have given the ballasts a few coats of silicon spray before they went in (and not mount them behind the bullbar) double

Have previously made up a few pairs of extension leads, so that the ballasts can be mounted further up inside the engine bay.

Have since found plugs and sockets to fit, and whenever I get the time, will make up some for sale. Am sure that there is a decent market for these...
THe normal distance betwen the bulb and the ballast is suually around the 300 to 450mm mark, dependant on kit.
Can extend the distance upwards to 1500mm with no-ill effects that i can see on the bulb striking either cold or hot.