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Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:32 pm**

anyone put a ryco filter on a bt-50 or no what the number is, there is no listing yet with ryco and the genuine filter number doesnt cross reference

its just a normal spin on filter

thanks

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:54 pm**

dude go genuine

i can do you a good price if you want

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:15 pm**

ryco make the genuine filters anyways and they are like heaps cheaper last time i bought a genuine filter it was like $25 trade, what can you get them for?

also what oil do they take sinthetic or normal and what grade thanks

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:18 pm**

spamwell wrote:dude go genuine

Yeah right.
Go an aftermarket filter and just change it every 5000 instead of every 10000 that the manual probably recomends and you will still be in front with $$$

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:44 pm**

vorno_18 wrote:ryco make the genuine filters anyways and they are like heaps cheaper last time i bought a genuine filter it was like $25 trade, what can you get them for?

also what oil do they take sinthetic or normal and what grade thanks

full synthetic is all you can use i will check the weights, mazda has updated all there cars to full synthetic oil thats all we have now other then deisel oil for the new 3 and 6 deisel they need some low soot one.

Posted: **Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:47 am**

You could try the fleetguard or donaldson sites for a cross-reference. I use them heaps looking for trtuck & forklift filters.

http://www.cumminsfiltration.com/fleet/ ... S&#results

https://dynamic.donaldson.com/webc/WebS ... rence.html

Posted: **Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:03 pm**

they might not make them yet as its a newish vehicle(screw on a z9 or z30 if that helps)only joken probably too new for aftermarket parts yet

Posted: **Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:34 am**

the oil is 5w-40

and the genuine filters are made by denso in thailand i can do them for about $17.00

looks like the denso number is BT115010-6350
Genuine Part number WLY4-14302
and the is a number dot printed onto the top JJ17A14

they are a new filter i have never had in stock for any other models they suit the 2.5 and 3.0 bt-50

sam

Posted: **Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:15 am**

vorno_18 wrote:ryco make the genuine filters anyways and they are like heaps cheaper last time i bought a genuine filter it was like $25 trade, what can you get them for?

also what oil do they take sinthetic or normal and what grade thanks

Ryco DONOT make the genuine filters. Using a NON genuine oil filter will invalidate the implied warranty on the engine of the vehicle leaving you to bare the cost of proving a manufacturing fault if something does go wrong.
You've just shelled out good dollars for a new vehicle. Stop being a tight wad and put a genuine filter on it.
I've seen plenty of situations where Ryco filter are just as much or sometimes more expensive for newer models anyway.
Cheers Dan

Posted: **Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:14 pm**

some how i doubt a ryco will ever cost more then genuine, and you do keep your new vehicle warranty if you use ryco filters thats how garages are able to service the new vehicles cheaper then stealerships and keep there new vehicle warranty

Posted: **Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:22 am**

vorno_18 wrote:some how i doubt a ryco will ever cost more then genuine, and you do keep your new vehicle warranty if you use ryco filters thats how garages are able to service the new vehicles cheaper then stealerships and keep there new vehicle warranty

Look Dude.. I don't really give a rats arse about your car or your warranty but i'm trying to offer you some advice stemming from my 16 years as a mechanic and a workshop owner.. I can GUARUNTEE you that there are many occassions when an aftermarket RYCO filter for a newer vehicle are more expensive. I KNOW IT FOR A FACT. I BUY THEM!.
Read your warranty booklet... It will most likely state something along the lines of the requirement for genuine parts to be used during service otherwise the manufacture will not be responsible for component failure.
My business is predominately servicing late model vehicles. We use genuine filters so that the manufacturers warranty is maintained.
I'm not being rude but somehow i think i'd know better.
I make more money fitting a Ryco filter than i do fitting a genuine one, so trust me, if a Ryco filter wasn't going to affect warranty i'd be fitting them.
Dan.

Posted: **Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:49 am**

Ruffy wrote:
vorno_18 wrote:some how i doubt a ryco will ever cost more then genuine, and you do keep your new vehicle warranty if you use ryco filters thats how garages are able to service the new vehicles cheaper then stealerships and keep there new vehicle warranty
Look Dude.. I don't really give a rats arse about your car or your warranty but i'm trying to offer you some advice stemming from my 16 years as a mechanic and a workshop owner.. I can GUARUNTEE you that there are many occassions when an aftermarket RYCO filter for a newer vehicle are more expensive. I KNOW IT FOR A FACT. I BUY THEM!.
Read your warranty booklet... It will most likely state something along the lines of the requirement for genuine parts to be used during service otherwise the manufacture will not be responsible for component failure.
My business is predominately servicing late model vehicles. We use genuine filters so that the manufacturers warranty is maintained.
I'm not being rude but somehow i think i'd know better.
I make more money fitting a Ryco filter than i do fitting a genuine one, so trust me, if a Ryco filter wasn't going to affect warranty i'd be fitting them.
Dan.

Hey Ruffy,

Im a mechanic too but when I was in the trade there was legislation (trades practices act it think) to stop the car manufacturers voiding new car warrany on stuff just because it was fitted with non genuine filters or the like.

It was to protect consumers for if say you had a bearing failure in your engine the non genuine filter couldnt be blamed if it was doing its job, that sort of thing.

Ryco filters are as good or better then genuine but as you said are not always cheaper, especially for new model vehicles.

Vorno, if Spamwell can do them for 17 bucks, thats cheap for a genuine filter.

If not do a cross reference of his part numbers on the Ryco website, google is your friend

PS: Denso filters are good too.

Posted: **Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:15 pm**

mkpatrol wrote: Ryco filters are as good or better then genuine but as you said are not always cheaper, especially for new model vehicles.

not necessarily - ryco filters really aren't anything that special. If possible buy donaldson, fleetgard or Mann filters. If those companies make a filter for the application.

Often it takes a few years for aftermarket companies to make copies - looks like at the moment only genuine and denso (genuine part manufacturers) may be available - unless there is a filter for another vehicle that will fit.

I always understood that to keep a warranty, any A-grade mechanic could service a car but they HAD to use genuine parts.

Posted: **Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:59 pm**

ISUZUROVER wrote:
mkpatrol wrote: Ryco filters are as good or better then genuine but as you said are not always cheaper, especially for new model vehicles.
not necessarily - ryco filters really aren't anything that special. .

Whats your expeirience with them?

(Im not trying to start a pissing contest here just looking for your experience).

The only reason I ask is that I only had one failure with a Ryco filter in 13 years full time (been out of it now for 6 years) of almost excusively using them on a massive variety of vehicles. When they tested the filter the seal failed (like it did for me) they paid for the damage caused to the engine.

Mind you the anti drain back valve is not that good in them but I am yet to find a filter which this works effectively (have not tried donaldson filters though). Have used the others from time to time.

Posted: **Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:53 pm**

mkpatrol wrote:
ISUZUROVER wrote:
mkpatrol wrote: Ryco filters are as good or better then genuine but as you said are not always cheaper, especially for new model vehicles.
not necessarily - ryco filters really aren't anything that special. .
Whats your expeirience with them?

(Im not trying to start a pissing contest here just looking for your experience).

The only reason I ask is that I only had one failure with a Ryco filter in 13 years full time (been out of it now for 6 years) of almost excusively using them on a massive variety of vehicles. When they tested the filter the seal failed (like it did for me) they paid for the damage caused to the engine.

Mind you the anti drain back valve is not that good in them but I am yet to find a filter which this works effectively (have not tried donaldson filters though). Have used the others from time to time.

I have worked in Filter R&D in the past - but Rick130 is the real expert on the ins and outs of different brands of oil filters.

To quote Rick130 (on here) from another a post he made on AULRO:

A Z89 (the listed Ryco filter for a 300Tdi) is just a short version of the Z9. IMHO I reckon the OE ERR3340 filter (approx $14.50) is a better filter anyway, Ryco filters have only average filtration specs. A better filter in the Z9 size is a Purolator L3001, or even better is their Pure One (PL3001 ??)
If ultimate full flow filtration is required in a Z9 size filter, the Donaldson P169071 and Fleetguards equivalent are so much better in their filtration specs, flow rates and contaminant capacity than a Ryco or equivalent, but you literally pay dearly for them. (over $30 each)

And another quote from here:

rick130 wrote: ahh, a Purolator L25195, media area of 312 sq. in. Beta 2 = 25 microns, Beta 20=40 microns, capacity 9.52 grams, by pass valve 14-16 psi.

Does it have a country of origin on the filter or box ? I have a pretty strong suspicion Purolator dont make that filter. It took them a long time for engineering in the US to get me those specs. Most US manufacturers usually substitute a close Chrysler (Wix 51068) or Ford (Baldwin B 74, Fleetguard LF3353) equivalent filter, wheras that Purolator number is a stand alone number.
Turns out most manufacturers only make a certain percentage of their own stuff, the balance they source from the opposition.

FWIW, Ryco ceased prroduction in Oz back in March. Filters are either made at their plants in South Africa or Enn Zed or sourced elsewhere.
The Z89A and Z9 used to use the same media, beta 2=30, or thereabouts.

No full flow filter filters brilliantly, it seems it's a juggle of flow vs filtration.

The best filter I found was a Mann-Hummel made especially as a Land Rover replacement, pt. # W 930/20, (made in Germany) Beta 2=18 microns, media area 2287cm2, (355 sq. in) flow rate 27l/min, capacity 21 grams, by pass valve 1 bar/14.5 psi, and no one imports them into Oz...

If anyone is interested, I have a fair few filter specs that are supposedly equivalent to an ERR3340, funny thing is most don't cross reference with each other. One of the guys at Donaldson warned me of that.

I've also had a lot of filters with faulty anti-drain back valves, including Donaldsons, Sakuras, Wix, and Purolators. Doesn't matter too much in the Tdi as the oil filter is vertical and is always full.

All I was saying - is the media in most ryco filters is nothing out of the ordinary, and is about the same or worse than the average BRAND NAME (quality) filter. Which is demonstrated by the beta values above. 9 times out of 10 you would probably better off finding out which filter manufacturer makes your OEM filter and buying from them.

Posted: **Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:54 pm**

Cool, so its the stuff you cannot see that you are talking about.

I guess as he says the better filters are dearer, more than triple the price ( I run 2 Z115's on my Poo & I can get them for about 10 bucks or less). That would make it 60 bucks plus oil for every oil change.

I guess maybe the big thing is that while the Ryco is not the best out there it seems to do the job adequately, from what I have seen anyway.

Another thing is most local auto parts stores (here in Canberra) dont stock anything else but Ryco, Repco or Cooper (yuck).

What are the Valvoline filters like? I bought a 4 pack for the Commodore from Super crap the other day because I wanted to have some in the shed. I usually change mine every 5 thou anyway so the oil doesnt get that dirty & delapitated.

Maybe thats the key as well, the Poo has done 390k, had Ryco on it almost from new with 5 thou oil changes.

The Bogandore was getting 10thou oil changes until it used half a litre one oil change (120thou I think) & then i started doing 5 thou changes on it & it hasnt used any since, now on 175 thou.

Oil quality is a huge issue for me, if it starts to break down then the damage escalates. I make sure the oil is always good in all my engines & that is usually followed by a filter change.

Stupid question now, will the dearer filters last longer or do they have the same expected life from the manufacturer? Cost offset is the angle I am getting at here.

Posted: **Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:35 am**

Ruffy wrote:
vorno_18 wrote:some how i doubt a ryco will ever cost more then genuine, and you do keep your new vehicle warranty if you use ryco filters thats how garages are able to service the new vehicles cheaper then stealerships and keep there new vehicle warranty
Look Dude.. I don't really give a rats arse about your car or your warranty but i'm trying to offer you some advice stemming from my 16 years as a mechanic and a workshop owner.. I can GUARUNTEE you that there are many occassions when an aftermarket RYCO filter for a newer vehicle are more expensive. I KNOW IT FOR A FACT. I BUY THEM!.
Dan.

I'd have to agree, for your well sold cars the filters will be real cheap but for your real new or odd cars the filters will be dear.

For me a ryco filter costs $35, the cheaper is $25 for a nippon, no idea what one will be better but I just buy the ryco and that's for a 15 years 4wd.

Here's the link to the Ryco Filter look up page.

http://www.rycofilters.com.au/catalogue/application

I don't think it's been added yet.

Most after market parts are usually made and sold on the market before the car is sold at the dealers brand new anyway, so you'd be able to get a filter but as with the warranties and stuff it's probably pointless trying to go 3rd party anyway.

As for filters I'd rather go a steel cleanable one they male these filters for motorbikes but not for cars/4wds, a shame as they filter down to .2 of a micron.

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