Outer Limits 4x4 Board

muhaha, you nissan and yota owners just wish you were one of us

hmm. jackeroo late models had prety good motor's. but it took em a long time to get right. and the transfer case hangs to low.

So i'd say pajero very strong drivline, good motors and proven.

Pajero wins hands down. Will go everywhere the fat ugly big boys go, and do it in comfort and wont break parts either.

After seeing how my mate treated his pajero, They get my vote, even though it only lasted 3 months! was the hardest 3 months ive ever seen a fourbie go through!

Troy

South wrote:Will go everywhere the fat ugly big boys go

Now Now, lets not get insulting towards our cosmetically challenged overweight fourbies. They have feelings too

I think the Jackaroo has the better chassis/suspension for offroading.

But when it came to day to day driving, I'd choose a coil rear end Pajero. Much, much nicer car inside and out.

paj

I reckon it comes down to what you personally like. We liked the the look of the Pajero but didn't like the way it felt driving it, but the Jack feels better to drive in our humble opinion

BJ

The ISUZU's are a much better engineered 4WD.

the geometry allows much easier mods!! and is not targeted at MUM going to get the shopping!!!

pajero

Well depends what you want it for i reckon. For a tourer there probably both just as good as each other. The 3.1 TD Jacks had some issues with reliability though.
It'll come down to what you like and dislike driving each vehicle.
Paj has a great reputation and are good off road. And with some mods they can easily mix it with the Big two.

Cheers Dan

1MadEngineer wrote:The ISUZU's are a much better engineered 4WD.

the geometry allows much easier mods!! and is not targeted at MUM going to get the shopping!!!

Them's fightin' words! Care to elaborate?

What's "better engineered" in the Jackaroo? Precisely how does the geometry allow easier mods? Which mods?

Precisely who was the Jackaroo targeted at? Oh, hang on. Most road reports of the day seemed to think the Jackaroo was the better vehicle, but the Pajero still dominated the sales - so I guess the Jackaroo wasn't targeted at anybody.

if it sells high, soccermums are loving it


"the transfer case hangs lower"
the jack sits higher, that is a direct result of it

there is a hell of a lot of room under the bonnet, and under the body

i ran a 3.1 jack for years and i took some serious abuse, avoid the 3.0 litre diesels they have fuel issues (mind you they should be sorted by now) but i reckon if your after a tourer it would do the job very well

of course... there is nothing worse than a landcruiser or patrol, everyone wants one...yet they all lack individuality... go offroad find another poochy, and all you can say is...oh look...another patrol...*yawn*

btw, for the record, i have a petrol guzzling 3.5L jackaroo

why didn't you include prado on the poll??????????????

cuz prado is better than the "realmans" cruiser....

the 4runner has more chance of getting in the poll

OK so they both have pi$$weak IFS front ends,

BUT the isuzu has 1.3" or HUGE 1.5" rear axles DAMN they are as big as DANA60HD or nissan H260. plus the rear links are waaaaay long and very easy to get flex out of if you are creative with shock position. Gboxs and tcases are TUFF as!!

1MadEngineer wrote:OK so they both have pi$$weak IFS front ends,

BUT the isuzu has 1.3" or HUGE 1.5" rear axles DAMN they are as big as DANA60HD or nissan H260. plus the rear links are waaaaay long and very easy to get flex out of if you are creative with shock position. Gboxs and tcases are TUFF as!!

Damn, how can I argue with that?

paj jtop - from factory

-rear diff lock
-32's
-5.29 gearing
-2" hydraulic lift on demand

=

but kudos to some of the jacks as well

jop wrote:paj jtop - from factory

-rear diff lock
-32's
-5.29 gearing
-2" hydraulic lift on demand

you forgot factory body lift

and j-top pajeros are just

1MadEngineer wrote:Gboxs and tcases are TUFF as!!

I think I remember reading somewhere that the Isuzu Jackaroo, Trooper, Rodeo, Mu 5spds were manufactured by Aisin for Isuzu, and share allot in common with the Toyota R series gearbox (also made by Aisin). Got a Toyota R151 gearbox for Dads lux to take the torque we are going to be putting through it, although not the best box on earth, they are quite strong.

As for Pajero vs Jackaroo, I don't know much about either. From the little I do know I'd only pick the Isuzu because its been rebaged as a Holden .

jop wrote:paj jtop - from factory

-rear diff lock
-32's
-5.29 gearing
-2" hydraulic lift on demand

=

but kudos to some of the jacks as well

teralow do crawler gears 3.07:1

and

ISUZU AXLE INFORMATION LIST

TROOPER

STOCK RATIO: 4.56:1 EXCEPT W/ WIDE TIRE OPTION 4.77:1

1985-86 4WD 2.3L 4CYL
FRONT: ISUZU IFS 8 BOLT (SOMETIMES REFERED TO AS 9 BOLT)
REAR: ISUZU 10 BOLT (3RD MEMBER, DRUM BRAKE)

1987 4WD 2.3L 4CYL
FRONT: ISUZU IFS 8 BOLT (OR)
ISUZU IFS 10 BOLT
REAR: ISUZU 10 BOLT (3RD MEMBER, DRUM BRAKE)
(NOTE: SOME SPLIT YEAR -SOME END OF YEAR MODELS HAD 12 BOLTS)

1988-91 4WD GM 2.8L V-6, 2.6L 4 CYL
FRONT: ISUZU IFS 10 BOLT
REAR: ISUZU 12 BOLT (3RD MEMBER, DISK BRAKE)

1992-97 4WD 3.2L 6 CYL
FRONT: ISUZU IFS 10 BOLT
REAR: ISUZU 12 BOLT (3RD MEMBER, DISK BRAKE)

98-2002 4WD 3.5L 6 CYL
FRONT: MODIFIED ISUZU IFS 10 BOLT
REAR: MODIFIED ISUZU 12 BOLT – LARGER OVERALL, DANA RING
GEAR ALMOST IDENTICAL TO D60 (3RD MEMBER, DISK BRAKE)


AMIGO

1989-1994 2.6L 4 CYL

FRONT: ISUZU IFS 10 BOLT
REAR: ISUZU 12 BOLT (3RD MEMBER, DISK BRAKE) (4WD & 2WD XS)
REAR: 2WD NON XS MODEL – ISUZU 10 BOLT

PICK UPS

1988+
FRONT: ISUZU IFS 10 BOLT
REAR: ISUZU 12 BOLT (3RD MEMBER, DISK BRAKE)

RODEO

1991-92 GM 3.1L V-6, 1993-94 4 CYL.

FRONT: ISUZU IFS 10 BOLT
REAR: GM 10 BOLT (DRUM BRAKE)



RODEO/ HONDA PASSPORT

1993-4 V-6, 1995-97

FRONT: ISUZU IFS 10 BOLT
REAR: DANA 44 (DISK BREAK, USES 4.10 RING GEAR ON 3.92 DOWN
SMALL CARRIER – THICKER THAN STANDARD RING GEAR)


1998-2001 3.2L 6 CYL

FRONT: ISUZU MODIFIED IFS 10 BOLT ( LIKE TROOPER)
REAR: DANA 44 ( SLIGHTLY MODIFIED, FINNED COVER 4.10 STOCK)



CURRENTLY AVAILABLE:


ISUZU 10 BOLT:

ARB AIR LOCKER
POWERTRAX LOCKRIGHT (SORRY DISCONTINUED)
AUBURN LIMITED SLIP
POWERBRUTE LIMITED SLIP (OEM IN ISUZU LOTUS TURBO IMPILSE 10 BOLT REAR END)
ISUZU CORP. GEARS: 4.10, 4.30, 4.56, 4.77
TERA MFG. GEARS: 5.38



ISUZU 12 BOLT:

ARB AIR LOCKER – FOR BOTH STANDARD & NEWER 98+ MODIFIED 12 BOLT VERSIONS.
POWERBRUTE - FACTORY LIMITED SLIP. THIS ISUZU LIMITED SLIP UNIT IS VERY RARE, BUT TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE, AVAILABLE.
ISUZU CORP. GEARS: 4.10, 4.30, 4.56, 4.77
TERA MFG. GEARS: 5.38 (TERA 5.38 NOT CONFIRMED ON, BUT SHOULD FIT 98+ TROOPER/VX MODELS)


ISUZU DANA 44

ALL LOCKER/ GEAR OPTIONS AVAILABLE WHEN USED WITH THE RIGHT CARRIER. ISUZU USES A HIGHER RATIO CARRIER W/ A THICHER LOW RATIO RING GEAR. (3.73- CARRIER W/ A 4.10 THICK R&P). SIMPLY SWAP TO APPROPRIATE MATCHING DANA SPICER 3.92+ RATIO CARRIER OR FULL CARRIER LOCKER & RING/PINION SET FOR GEAR SWAPS IN THE NUMERICALLY HIGHER RATIOS.

-Scott- wrote:

1MadEngineer wrote:OK so they both have pi$$weak IFS front ends,

BUT the isuzu has 1.3" or HUGE 1.5" rear axles DAMN they are as big as DANA60HD or nissan H260. plus the rear links are waaaaay long and very easy to get flex out of if you are creative with shock position. Gboxs and tcases are TUFF as!!

Damn, how can I argue with that?

You don't bother. You let them feel really good about ranting and raving -we can be safe in the knowledge of having a good, comfortable and very competant tourer which can follow the big boys and still drive home.

NJV6 wrote:which can follow the big boys and still drive home.

I love reading people saying this.

Yes, did you not know - I've got 4WD and mud tyres - therefore I can go anywhere and invincible.

Hence the

Jacks come stock standard with pussy magnet, Pajero's come stock standard with the "experienced" lady in mind

as the poll stands so far: 34 soccermums, 8 offroaders

I had 3.0L V6 Pajero.... there is no way I'd ever buy one again. They may be nice when new but IMHO the engine/ driveline is built to last 250 000km tops. After that prepare to spend up. Talk to the 4x4 wreckers if you don't believe me.

slosh wrote:I had 3.0L V6 Pajero.... there is no way I'd ever buy one again. They may be nice when new but IMHO the engine/ driveline is built to last 250 000km tops. After that prepare to spend up. Talk to the 4x4 wreckers if you don't believe me.

maybe, just meens pajero's are hear for a good time not a long time.

not alot of other v6's go far over 300,000k's

what about the soft top version i think its an import whats the difference between australian and the jap soft top