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HI
Been told and read here that a Jimny 1.3 will bolt in where a zook 1.3 would go.
Could I just do a Jimny head (EFI kit and all) onto a 92 WT 1.3 short motor. I know I will have to do a tank conversion and a feed rail as well.
Have to do a round trip of 72k's to work each day and looking at ways to make the juice go further, and make the freeway parts not quite so loud.

Is there a way to stroke the 1.3 engine using a GTI cranks and rods from another motor(??) to give it more torque??

thanks later
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Ogre wrote:HI
Been told and read here that a Jimny 1.3 will bolt in where a zook 1.3 would go.
Could I just do a Jimny head (EFI kit and all) onto a 92 WT 1.3 short motor.

Maybe, but I think no. Was talking gearbox compatibility the other day with a jap import dude and the Jimny block is a bit different apparantly. It would warrant some more research but as far as I can tell thus far you wouldnt be able to do this. AND in reality you're not going to get just the head & injection suff, you're gonna get a complete motor, which is an easy swap. If anyone knows from experience if the Jimny donks are different than other G series engines now would be a great time to pipe up!!!

Ogre wrote:Is there a way to stroke the 1.3 engine using a GTI cranks and rods from another motor(??) to give it more torque??

Again, none that i've heard of. Easiest way to do this is to get a 1600 short block and put your 1300 head etc on it, that's been successfully done before. 1500 bottom ends are also available.

I'm thinking you should just put the whole jimny engine in there Ogre... It will have several advantages over mixing and matching parts of the engine with the existing one.

Some i can think of offhand are:

1. never having to open up the engine and risk messing things up (thus shortening its life)

2. you get a whole engine and gearbox that has probably done far fewing kms then your current one - that has to be a good thing.

3. if you get this engine from a wrecked car, you could probably source the fuel tank / fuel pump from it too so that would save you some money too.

4. i'm not 100 percent sure if they had them - but i'm guessing some jimny's may have air con - so the engines would come with the air con pump which you could either use as air con, or turn into an air pump for tyres

5. The jimny engine is somewhere in between the sierra and the vitara for box horsepower and torque ratings... so it'll still be better than what you have now.

all fingers point to the full conversion i think.

4. i'm not 100 percent sure if they had them - but i'm guessing some jimny's may have air con - so the engines would come with the air con pump which you could either use as air con, or turn into an air pump for tyres

Most have air

mj wrote:

4. i'm not 100 percent sure if they had them - but i'm guessing some jimny's may have air con - so the engines would come with the air con pump which you could either use as air con, or turn into an air pump for tyres

Most have air

Cheers mate...

If they made a Jimny with a fold down windscreen I would drive it instead of my Zook as a daily driver.

I would still have a zook play car but not as a daily driver.

I am looking for a doner front cut Jimny or rolled example that I can use to make the transplant from and slog off the not used bits. Not busting a crumpet to find one right now.

FUBAR at work at moment.

Mate has got a job at a wreckers so he might be able to help out.

thanks for the input.

Still looking for the Yota K series info but ???? must be on an old backup CD. Will post if I find.

later
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Ogre,
Yes the Jimny motor bolts straight in & comes complete with a/c & power steering. This is the set-up i am running with 31" tyres & rockhopper series 1.
Drives nicely with 31" tyres but would struggle with bigger tryes unless you went to a series 3 rockhopper.

A search would have given you this link: http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... php?t=1705

From what I can understand.........

The first Jimnys came with the G engine so bolt straight up to the Sierra gearbox.

The later models went to an M13 twin cam and dont fit to the Sierra box so an engine and box conversion would be required here.

Ogre wrote:I am looking for a doner front cut Jimny or rolled example that I can use to make the transplant from and slog off the not used bits. Not busting a crumpet to find one right now.

Grab the 4x4 trader / just 4wd's type magazines - they typically have one or two jimny's being wrecked in them....

I hunted for one for a while - there was one down in melbourne (dandenong) and the guy there wanted (i think) $3500 for a complete engine, gearbox, loom, computer... so that will give you an idea about what you will have to pay...

note: that's a lot of petrol money - i'm thinking it's gonna take a lot of petrol savings to get that money back.

HI
Any idea what after market EFI would cost??

Is there a side or down draught webber inlet manifold that will fit the 1.3?
If there is then I......

Could then use Nissan Micra trumpets and injectors and a Delco efi and chip it, put a O2 sensor in the extractors and close the loop.

Sounds easy but takes a bit of fiddling.

A loom wouldn't be that hard to fabricate (maybe even a Nissan Micra) and use a Jimny tank or another narrow tank with built in pump.
Just looking to get fuel injection not full engine management contol.

any other ideas on saving $$$ while getting some grunt to carry the load in the back ( tools, racking and stuff)?

Whithout getting me in the s*it with the insurance people for a modified vehicle in victoria.


later
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Hmm, just been thinking about this and did a few calculations...

If this car is only gonig to be used for highway driving - perhaps it would be worth while converting it to gas?

I did some rough estimates about your expenses...

72kms per day (as stated above)

at approx 10kms per litre

and filling up on optimax on the most expensive day (assuming $1.06 per litre)

going to work 5 days per week

working 50 weeks of the year

your yearly work fuel bill will be about $1908 per year...

Perhaps a few questions worth asking yourself are:
1. Will your expenses in doing this engine upgrade be worthwhile money wise (i.e. you are only doing it to save money right?).
2. Will you be keeping the car long enough to make it worthwhile - i.e. you may get the money back in savings over a few years, but will you still be driving this car after that long?

What will a fuel injected motor do in kms per Litre - let's say that it is something outrageous like 20kms per L, so your yearly running cost halved to $954 per year... it is still going to take you 3 or more years to pay yourself back for the cost of doing the engine upgrade isn't it?

what tyres are you running, what size and what pressure?
How much stuff is in the car?
How much better economy do you expect out of a square car with no aerodynamics and a small engine?

HHHmmmmm

Save money, make engine quieter, not have to sit on 85-90 on the freeway.

What approx $$ would a freshen up cost?? New bearings, gaskets and set of rings and maybe have the block skimmed, maybe exhausts polished. Don't want to have to bore it.
Getting a bit of blow by, so the compression cannot be great but it runs and uses F/A oil.
Labor and machining will be done by mates...I will have to provide parts and beer.

Main life will be spent as a tool box with wheels. about 100kg's including racking and drawers. (maybe 150 never weighed it)
also get to carry me at 145kg's plus lunch.

Tyres 225/60/15 from a dunnydore whan a mate put 17's on his ute.
30psi??

Alternate life is doing a 300k round trip up the farm, driving all over the farm, driving to pub and back. once every 6 weeks.
alternate #2. driving 2000 ks round trip to friends farm in NSW etc,etc. once or twice a year.
tyres for the trips are no-name 9.5's 50/50's

ecomomy ??? NFA. Best possible.

Do want to upgrade the brakes though. maybe 4W disc's.

How long to keep??? How long are parts going to be available to fix it??

Looking for a mid to late 90's stockman to upgrade to. but have to save more than 3k that I have now.

Maybe I should just fit a pair of extractors, wear earmuffs and leave 20 min earlier.

later
P

could also look at new spark plugs and wires, better exhaust better air intake and a tune

may have found a better solution.

Applied for new job, more $$, place to store tools and 12k round trip from home

Wish me luck..

later
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I can't believe we didn't come up with that idea earlier

I guess if you don't get the new job, you could always move closer to your current one