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I'm trying to sort out some 37" tyres and wonder what people are using and their feedback. I'm particulary interested in wet mud/clay grip and sideways grip. I'm currently using 35x11.5 ET's. My truck is pretty light ie around 2000kgs and has alot of hp so that is also a factor. I'm in NZ so it also needs to be more aggressive than most n Oz would consider but I'm open to suggestions.

Boggers

WICKED wrote:Boggers

great for going forward but no good on slide angles i've heard maxxis trepadores are good

bigears wrote:

WICKED wrote:Boggers

great for going forward but no good on slide angles i've heard maxxis trepadores are good

I've run boggers and would run the again, never had a problem

as for maxxis

bigears wrote:

WICKED wrote:Boggers

great for going forward but no good on slide angles i've heard maxxis trepadores are good

"He who cant handle boggers, can't drive"

"He who cant handle boggers, needs more practice"

"He whose boggers falls to pieces, shouldn't be sitting on 175"

bushy555 wrote:

bigears wrote:

WICKED wrote:Boggers

great for going forward but no good on slide angles i've heard maxxis trepadores are good

"He who cant handle boggers, can't drive"

"He who cant handle boggers, needs more practice"

"He whose boggers falls to pieces, shouldn't be sitting on 175"

this is the gospel!!!!

I agree!!!






but trepadores or creepys are very, very good as well!!

nzdarin wrote:I'm trying to sort out some 37" tyres and wonder what people are using and their feedback. I'm particulary interested in wet mud/clay grip and sideways grip. I'm currently using 35x11.5 ET's. My truck is pretty light ie around 2000kgs and has alot of hp so that is also a factor. I'm in NZ so it also needs to be more aggressive than most n Oz would consider but I'm open to suggestions.

If you got the horse power...

I would go the BFG krawlers awesome in the mud espacially the 37's as they are 12.5" wide. Or your other option is the maxxis trepador which i have been told is a 12.5 however looks much skinnier... which would suit the type of mud you drive in...

Boggers are average you wont be able to turn and the creeps no good for the sticky mud in nz...

I know when i was other for the kiwi in 05 kevy knott had the BFG in the 35" size and they got through alot of stuff the others didnt with out much hore power either...

Swampers all round or swampers on front and boggers on the rear.

bigears wrote:

WICKED wrote:Boggers

great for going forward but no good on slide angles

Thats why I grooved mine

And helps the tyre fold and bag heaps better.

weeman wrote:[
If you got the horse power...

I would go the BFG krawlers awesome in the mud espacially the 37's as they are 12.5" wide. Or your other option is the maxxis trepador which i have been told is a 12.5 however looks much skinnier... which would suit the type of mud you drive in...

Boggers are average you wont be able to turn and the creeps no good for the sticky mud in nz...

I know when i was other for the kiwi in 05 kevy knott had the BFG in the 35" size and they got through alot of stuff the others didnt with out much hore power either...

I competed in the 05 Kiwi and was very un-impressed with the Krawler for NZ conditions! One hill in particular that I think everyone else drove, Kevvy had to winch it! That was a combintation off lack of power to weight (ie the truck being too heavy for NZ), and I think tyre pressure.
They may work on my truck do to the much better power to weight but it is still question mark!
I was just looking at the BFG website and the Krawler is only rated to 75mph! I assume guys haven't been having problems in the OBC with this?

I've been looking and Maxxis Treps but not keen on the soft compond as I think the wheel spin will tear them up and loose the important sharp edge.

Boggers are a no go due to it being for winch comps and lack of sideways grip. The only Swamper that is a possibilty (that I can find) is the Irok. Grooving isn't an option as is not legal which makes the Bogger unsuitable.

36 Simex may still be an option but I did want to go a bit bigger.

nzdarin wrote:

weeman wrote:[
If you got the horse power...

I would go the BFG krawlers awesome in the mud espacially the 37's as they are 12.5" wide. Or your other option is the maxxis trepador which i have been told is a 12.5 however looks much skinnier... which would suit the type of mud you drive in...

Boggers are average you wont be able to turn and the creeps no good for the sticky mud in nz...

I know when i was other for the kiwi in 05 kevy knott had the BFG in the 35" size and they got through alot of stuff the others didnt with out much hore power either...

I competed in the 05 Kiwi and was very un-impressed with the Krawler for NZ conditions! One hill in particular that I think everyone else drove, Kevvy had to winch it! That was a combintation off lack of power to weight (ie the truck being too heavy for NZ), and I think tyre pressure.
They may work on my truck do to the much better power to weight but it is still question mark!
I was just looking at the BFG website and the Krawler is only rated to 75mph! I assume guys haven't been having problems in the OBC with this?

I've been looking and Maxxis Treps but not keen on the soft compond as I think the wheel spin will tear them up and loose the important sharp edge.

Boggers are a no go due to it being for winch comps and lack of sideways grip. The only Swamper that is a possibilty (that I can find) is the Irok. Grooving isn't an option as is not legal which makes the Bogger unsuitable.

36 Simex may still be an option but I did want to go a bit bigger.

Ok, we own 34" trxus, 37" tsl boggers - cut, 37" maxxis 762 comp trepadores, 39" bfg red label comp crawlers, and have competed on just about everything else!! IMO the 762 treps are the best for you application - by a long shot!!!!
as for the sharp edge they will perform better if you trim a 3x3 chamfer off all lugs first as these just decrease grip due to the little lips folding over and allowing the block to squirm.

and for the bogger being bad off-camber who-ever told you that is an idiot. (although i would not recommend them for speed events - and 37/13's have the best lug void ratio)

That's the info I was after!!!!!!!!!!!!

i agree the 35's weren't as good.. but the 37's work really well especially in the alpine challenge.

However a few people a trialling the trepadors and you will surprised allot of the top competitors will have them at the OBC next year.

1MadEngineer wrote:

nzdarin wrote:

weeman wrote:[
If you got the horse power...

I would go the BFG krawlers awesome in the mud espacially the 37's as they are 12.5" wide. Or your other option is the maxxis trepador which i have been told is a 12.5 however looks much skinnier... which would suit the type of mud you drive in...

Boggers are average you wont be able to turn and the creeps no good for the sticky mud in nz...

I know when i was other for the kiwi in 05 kevy knott had the BFG in the 35" size and they got through alot of stuff the others didnt with out much hore power either...

I competed in the 05 Kiwi and was very un-impressed with the Krawler for NZ conditions! One hill in particular that I think everyone else drove, Kevvy had to winch it! That was a combintation off lack of power to weight (ie the truck being too heavy for NZ), and I think tyre pressure.
They may work on my truck do to the much better power to weight but it is still question mark!
I was just looking at the BFG website and the Krawler is only rated to 75mph! I assume guys haven't been having problems in the OBC with this?

I've been looking and Maxxis Treps but not keen on the soft compond as I think the wheel spin will tear them up and loose the important sharp edge.

Boggers are a no go due to it being for winch comps and lack of sideways grip. The only Swamper that is a possibilty (that I can find) is the Irok. Grooving isn't an option as is not legal which makes the Bogger unsuitable.

36 Simex may still be an option but I did want to go a bit bigger.

Ok, we own 34" trxus, 37" tsl boggers - cut, 37" maxxis 762 comp trepadores, 39" bfg red label comp crawlers, and have competed on just about everything else!! IMO the 762 treps are the best for you application - by a long shot!!!!
as for the sharp edge they will perform better if you trim a 3x3 chamfer off all lugs first as these just decrease grip due to the little lips folding over and allowing the block to squirm.

and for the bogger being bad off-camber who-ever told you that is an idiot. (although i would not recommend them for speed events - and 37/13's have the best lug void ratio)

yeh they launch luxy's into the air spinning into oblivion in mud pursuits

1MadEngineer wrote:

nzdarin wrote:

weeman wrote:[
If you got the horse power...

I would go the BFG krawlers awesome in the mud espacially the 37's as they are 12.5" wide. Or your other option is the maxxis trepador which i have been told is a 12.5 however looks much skinnier... which would suit the type of mud you drive in...

Boggers are average you wont be able to turn and the creeps no good for the sticky mud in nz...

I know when i was other for the kiwi in 05 kevy knott had the BFG in the 35" size and they got through alot of stuff the others didnt with out much hore power either...

I competed in the 05 Kiwi and was very un-impressed with the Krawler for NZ conditions! One hill in particular that I think everyone else drove, Kevvy had to winch it! That was a combintation off lack of power to weight (ie the truck being too heavy for NZ), and I think tyre pressure.
They may work on my truck do to the much better power to weight but it is still question mark!
I was just looking at the BFG website and the Krawler is only rated to 75mph! I assume guys haven't been having problems in the OBC with this?

I've been looking and Maxxis Treps but not keen on the soft compond as I think the wheel spin will tear them up and loose the important sharp edge.

Boggers are a no go due to it being for winch comps and lack of sideways grip. The only Swamper that is a possibilty (that I can find) is the Irok. Grooving isn't an option as is not legal which makes the Bogger unsuitable.

36 Simex may still be an option but I did want to go a bit bigger.

Ok, we own 34" trxus, 37" tsl boggers - cut, 37" maxxis 762 comp trepadores, 39" bfg red label comp crawlers, and have competed on just about everything else!! IMO the 762 treps are the best for you application - by a long shot!!!!
as for the sharp edge they will perform better if you trim a 3x3 chamfer off all lugs first as these just decrease grip due to the little lips folding over and allowing the block to squirm.

and for the bogger being bad off-camber who-ever told you that is an idiot. (although i would not recommend them for speed events - and 37/13's have the best lug void ratio)

they are crap on side slopes being muddy and or greasy and being decent side slope. i ran them for a long time and experienced lots of times were other tyres hung on i slipt away.

gqpete wrote:

1MadEngineer wrote:

nzdarin wrote:

weeman wrote:[
If you got the horse power...

I would go the BFG krawlers awesome in the mud espacially the 37's as they are 12.5" wide. Or your other option is the maxxis trepador which i have been told is a 12.5 however looks much skinnier... which would suit the type of mud you drive in...

Boggers are average you wont be able to turn and the creeps no good for the sticky mud in nz...

I know when i was other for the kiwi in 05 kevy knott had the BFG in the 35" size and they got through alot of stuff the others didnt with out much hore power either...

I competed in the 05 Kiwi and was very un-impressed with the Krawler for NZ conditions! One hill in particular that I think everyone else drove, Kevvy had to winch it! That was a combintation off lack of power to weight (ie the truck being too heavy for NZ), and I think tyre pressure.
They may work on my truck do to the much better power to weight but it is still question mark!
I was just looking at the BFG website and the Krawler is only rated to 75mph! I assume guys haven't been having problems in the OBC with this?

I've been looking and Maxxis Treps but not keen on the soft compond as I think the wheel spin will tear them up and loose the important sharp edge.

Boggers are a no go due to it being for winch comps and lack of sideways grip. The only Swamper that is a possibilty (that I can find) is the Irok. Grooving isn't an option as is not legal which makes the Bogger unsuitable.

36 Simex may still be an option but I did want to go a bit bigger.

Ok, we own 34" trxus, 37" tsl boggers - cut, 37" maxxis 762 comp trepadores, 39" bfg red label comp crawlers, and have competed on just about everything else!! IMO the 762 treps are the best for you application - by a long shot!!!!
as for the sharp edge they will perform better if you trim a 3x3 chamfer off all lugs first as these just decrease grip due to the little lips folding over and allowing the block to squirm.

and for the bogger being bad off-camber who-ever told you that is an idiot. (although i would not recommend them for speed events - and 37/13's have the best lug void ratio)

they are crap on side slopes being muddy and or greasy and being decent side slope. i ran them for a long time and experienced lots of times were other tyres hung on i slipt away.

i agree at speed on greasy hills they are just average, but when crawling they are ridicously good, in many comp situations we have been able to turn offcamber uphill waaaaaay easier than almost all other tyres. This may also have a lot to do with the large srub radius on the rims and the decreased ackerman on the steering arms.

Over the years we have been lucky to have been given a variety of tyres to test in comps, some include BFG krawlers - blue (these are average at best, terrible in transitional terrain and offcamber approachs), MT Claws (not recomended for a comp car!!), Simexs ( a good mud terrain, not a COMP tyre) . . . .and heaps of others.

The Maxxis 762 treps IMO are very good tyre in the mud if you have HP (and you do!) and they are very good in all other situations (not excellant but definately one of the best ALLROUND) which makes them ideal as a comp tyre.

Normally Greg(1mad) and I agree (he's always right )

BUT I LOVE MY CLAWS!

I run 37 claws for the last 3 yrs and love em.(slow speed events.trials,willow,pecker)
b4 this had the 35 claws for a few yrs
also have 38 boggers, and 35 pro comp..
claws win hands down
sideways grip these are great on my patrol ute

weeman wrote:i agree the 35's weren't as good.. but the 37's work really well especially in the alpine challenge.

However a few people a trialling the trepadors and you will surprised allot of the top competitors will have them at the OBC next year.

Would you expect to get more than just the outback challenge out of them? I've been told they are very fast wearing. i know for obc competitors its not a real issue but would they be a good buy for average joe. Are the trepadors more of an all rounder than the creepys.

Cheers