Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Whats the deal with using extended shackles in QLD are they legal? what do you have to do to get them legal.

according to the qld transport modification booklet

"Leaf spring suspensions must not be raised by the use of
extended shackles or adjustable metal plates. If lowering
blocks are used, they must be either steel or aluminium."

I must say qld sucks ass
come to nsw :-)

there illegal here (vic) to but i have em, most cops would have nfi anyway, the only thing which may b a prob is if i was in an accident and my vehicle was inspected or somethin which could fuck me up with insurace.

As far as I know, they're illegal in NSW as well. I don't think you can even get an engineer to approve them.

Climaxes are legal here in NSW if engineered....and apparently not one set has been knocked back yet by an engineer

im not to sure about nsw but when i got defected the copper let me off with the shackles coz they were commercially made one's
There just the normal zinc plated 2 inch longer ones you get any where

Extended shackles are illegal in Qld unless you obtain an engineer's report to say otherwise. You can either get this yourself or buy a kit that comes with one. The only one that I know of is from Jeep City at Rainbow Beach. They have an engineer approved kit that consists of longer shackles in the rear and the front has both extended hangers as well as the extended shackles. This is done in the front to try and maintain the factory castor angle.

This kit is $450 and comes with a report. I have bought this and regretted it from the day that I bought it. If the vehicle is only to be used for poser purposes they're fine but if you intend to use your 4wd I would stay away from them. To date, of the 6 piece kit, I am only using the front extended shackles and even they have been modified.

However you do get an engineers report stating that they believe the shackles meet or exceed the strength of the original items. I have also been told that this piece of paper is not worth shait.

So make of it what you will. But I was personally very dissapointed with the kit with the price rubbing salt into the wounds.

The owner, Rob Rye was helpful and very professional to deal with. It's a shame his product can't back him up.

S&%t I did run ford XP shackles when I had my zuk they were about an inch longer than standard and when painted black you had to look twice at them and I sold it with them on :wink:

i got mine enginerred and on the rear mine r home made 4" longer than standard and the front r the ones u buy anywhere and r 3" over standard and both sets got engineered

Thats what I was told Beebee, the shackles I have been looking at are from ALLSET springs they are meant to be as tough as nails and give a lift of around 30mm, but I don't want to take the chances with the insurance company if I have a accident. 30 grand is alot of money.

the ones from allset springs are made from 50x10 plate and are about 50mm longer than stock.

Most of the 'Guidelines for Modification' that I have seen describe mods that do not require engineering assessment. Is this the case with the QLD Transport version? IMO people, including those that work for transport departments and cops, tend to view these guidelines as law because it make their life so much simpler.

"Owner-Certified Modifications"
You can fit a sway bar to a vehicle that didn't leave the factory with one, . Engine swaps within model range, transmission swaps within model range, uprated shock absorbers, all sorts of trivial little things like that..

My old Hilux was engineered and passed rego with 75mm extended, big, chunky, gold annodized, stand out from 100 metres away shackles front & rear?

In NSW it's a grey area, some engineers wont pass anything more than 2 inches longer than standard, others claim that you can't modify existing ones but can fit longer as long as it's not detrimental to the vehicle's safety.
There's a particular zuke thats usually parked in the main street of Glebe that has some 10 inch shackles...they're plenty beefy, but the handling must be appaling.

10 inches???? Holy snappin duck sh!t! The castor would be so stuffed up, the bumpsteer would be frightening..............scary scary stuff
I used to run 3 inch longer shackles and they were a bit of a nightmare, eh Hypo!! heheh

In QLD the rules are quite simple. YOu can not alter the suspension ride height by more the 2" and use a body lift of more than 2". Black and white. No engineer can approve anything higher regardless of what he says. If he still reckons he can point him to Information Bulletin for approved persons number 35 dated May 2000.

I have attached scans of it for you

Page 1 got rejected lets try that again.

The quality is pretty bad due to pixels, if you want a better copy just email me and I will send you the scans.

that first page hasn't got anything to do with me has it?

As far as QLD Transport are concerned engineer reports are only good for wiping thier butts. I have had a engineers report takeing from me and ripped up in front of me told to drive my car home and they would be deregistering it within the hour and if they caught it on the road the would prosucute me to the fullest excent of the law. This was on a IFS Hilux with a 3" body lift 2" suspension and 33" tyres on 15x8 L/C wheels. The car also passed all its brakeing and suspension tests prefromed by them. This happen last week. :mad: :mad: This wasent the first time my other Hilux which is the one I have been selling the bits off was also put off the road and i also coped a $400 fine for that one. At the time it passed all there bracking and steering tests, they just dindn't like it because it had a big lift and 35" tyres on it. :mad: The sooner they stop playing god and learn that they won't stop people doing mods to there 4x4 and controll it so they stay safe the better!!!!

PS found out that QLD trans regs are out side of what ADR's requiure so therefore are in essence against federal law. (to many $$$$ to fight)

my $0.02 worth

Thanks

The Peoples Republic of Queensland? Someone ought to stand up to the facist bastards.

i am in the process of making my own country separate from queensland and stuff

like that place in W.A. where we can do whatever we like and stuff!

yeah but unless your "country" includes all your wheeling haunts, you'd still be driving in queensland. get nsw rego and certification.

I am going to live in BJ's country and get diplomatic immunity from the RTA etc whenever I need to bring my truck to australia.

i can see it now

president BJ " those weldes look like they will hold!!, as long as i get first drive it should be right"