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can someone tell me if it is possible to get a leaf SAS approved in QLD, it will be on a 92 4runner chassis, which is coil rear. but it will be a single cab body.
or should i go coil front end.
thanks
steve

why would you want leafs?

I dont see why it wouldnt be possible, the engineer can approve a suspension re-design. Dont know how many engineers would be keen on using leafs tho, quite old tech.

because it is much simpilar to get real good travel and resonable ride

It would be better to get a leaf sprung chasis and coil the rear.

yeah i would have but i found a coil 4runner chassis for a good price, and i like the short wheel base single cab idea.

killalux wrote:can someone tell me if it is possible to get a leaf SAS approved in QLD, it will be on a 92 4runner chassis, which is coil rear. but it will be a single cab body.
or should i go coil front end.
thanks
steve

No as that model 4 Runner was not availible with a SAS axle and the rules are very specific in relation to doing a SAS.

The issue is the SAS bit not the modification itself. If it had a SAS rear then you could argue, if you were using a leaf hilux and coiling the rear that is ok as well. Coiling the front is fine also.

In QLD they hate SAS and have been very restrictive on its retrospective application.

turbo42 wrote:

killalux wrote:can someone tell me if it is possible to get a leaf SAS approved in QLD, it will be on a 92 4runner chassis, which is coil rear. but it will be a single cab body.
or should i go coil front end.
thanks
steve

No as that model 4 Runner was not availible with a SAS axle and the rules are very specific in relation to doing a SAS.

The issue is the SAS bit not the modification itself. If it had a SAS rear then you could argue, if you were using a leaf hilux and coiling the rear that is ok as well. Coiling the front is fine also.

In QLD they hate SAS and have been very restrictive on its retrospective application.

Where have you heard all this?

RUFF wrote:

turbo42 wrote:

killalux wrote:can someone tell me if it is possible to get a leaf SAS approved in QLD, it will be on a 92 4runner chassis, which is coil rear. but it will be a single cab body.
or should i go coil front end.
thanks
steve

No as that model 4 Runner was not availible with a SAS axle and the rules are very specific in relation to doing a SAS.

The issue is the SAS bit not the modification itself. If it had a SAS rear then you could argue, if you were using a leaf hilux and coiling the rear that is ok as well. Coiling the front is fine also.

In QLD they hate SAS and have been very restrictive on its retrospective application.

Where have you heard all this?

Heard ?? Haven't heard anything but I can read the COP, DOTARS and Bulletins to Approved Persons and ring the Approved persons help line and ask the question to confirm my understanding of the rules as I am working in a SAS approvel for a customer.

You will have to go coil as Brad said, or get a 84 or earlier 4runner chassis, which came with solid axle, and therefore can be passed.
Whoever you get to do the work, make sure you stipulate they must do the job properly, ie any cutting of suspension components should be done off the car...or it may not steer properly later....one would think you wouldnt need to stipulate this to an engineer, but times are a changing.
Andrew

turbo42 wrote:

RUFF wrote:

turbo42 wrote:

killalux wrote:can someone tell me if it is possible to get a leaf SAS approved in QLD, it will be on a 92 4runner chassis, which is coil rear. but it will be a single cab body.
or should i go coil front end.
thanks
steve

No as that model 4 Runner was not availible with a SAS axle and the rules are very specific in relation to doing a SAS.

The issue is the SAS bit not the modification itself. If it had a SAS rear then you could argue, if you were using a leaf hilux and coiling the rear that is ok as well. Coiling the front is fine also.

In QLD they hate SAS and have been very restrictive on its retrospective application.

Where have you heard all this?

Heard ?? Haven't heard anything but I can read the COP, DOTARS and Bulletins to Approved Persons and ring the Approved persons help line and ask the question to confirm my understanding of the rules as I am working in a SAS approvel for a customer.

What you are saying in your first post is that it is impossible to get a Solid Axle Swap on any vehicle that did not allready have a Solid axle fitted. Is this Correct?

I did hear somewhere that if the vehicle was fitted with coil rear it had to have a coil front aswell.
i guess it has something to do with fitting a less superior suspension system. IE fitted from factory with IFS, if then fitted with leaves will drive worse on-road, etc etc.
i guess coils are accpetable because they are still used on later model cars.

killalux wrote:I did hear somewhere that if the vehicle was fitted with coil rear it had to have a coil front aswell.
i guess it has something to do with fitting a less superior suspension system. IE fitted from factory with IFS, if then fitted with leaves will drive worse on-road, etc etc.
i guess coils are accpetable because they are still used on later model cars.

From what Turbo42 is saying even going solid axle with coils is illegal.

Which would also mean converting a 2wd hilux into a 4wd hilux (still using the 2wd frame) is also illegal is this right Turbo42?

RUFF wrote:

killalux wrote:I did hear somewhere that if the vehicle was fitted with coil rear it had to have a coil front aswell.
i guess it has something to do with fitting a less superior suspension system. IE fitted from factory with IFS, if then fitted with leaves will drive worse on-road, etc etc.
i guess coils are accpetable because they are still used on later model cars.

From what Turbo42 is saying even going solid axle with coils is illegal.

Which would also mean converting a 2wd hilux into a 4wd hilux (still using the 2wd frame) is also illegal is this right Turbo42?

here you go tony

turbo42 wrote:
The issue is the SAS bit not the modification itself. If it had a SAS rear then you could argue, if you were using a leaf hilux and coiling the rear that is ok as well. Coiling the front is fine also.

In QLD they hate SAS and have been very restrictive on its retrospective application.

chunderlicious wrote:

RUFF wrote:

killalux wrote:I did hear somewhere that if the vehicle was fitted with coil rear it had to have a coil front aswell.
i guess it has something to do with fitting a less superior suspension system. IE fitted from factory with IFS, if then fitted with leaves will drive worse on-road, etc etc.
i guess coils are accpetable because they are still used on later model cars.

From what Turbo42 is saying even going solid axle with coils is illegal.

Which would also mean converting a 2wd hilux into a 4wd hilux (still using the 2wd frame) is also illegal is this right Turbo42?

here you go tony

turbo42 wrote:
The issue is the SAS bit not the modification itself. If it had a SAS rear then you could argue, if you were using a leaf hilux and coiling the rear that is ok as well. Coiling the front is fine also.

In QLD they hate SAS and have been very restrictive on its retrospective application.

WTF are you on about

you are said "From what Turbo42 is saying even going solid axle with coils is illegal." when a few posts earlier he said "The issue is the SAS bit not the modification itself. If it had a SAS rear then you could argue, if you were using a leaf hilux and coiling the rear that is ok as well. Coiling the front is fine also." that was all. not tking sides as last time i spoke to DOT about sas conversions they told me coil front only from IFS and coil rear but i got shut down on here.

chunderlicious wrote:you are said "From what Turbo42 is saying even going solid axle with coils is illegal." when a few posts earlier he said "The issue is the SAS bit not the modification itself. If it had a SAS rear then you could argue, if you were using a leaf hilux and coiling the rear that is ok as well. Coiling the front is fine also." that was all. not tking sides as last time i spoke to DOT about sas conversions they told me coil front only from IFS and coil rear but i got shut down on here.

Your not making any sence. You seam to be trying to re-assure me that from what Turbo42 said that even going coils is illegal?

"Coiling the front is fine also." was the comment i was referring to. although he might be taking the mickey. but i was told that on a coil rear you can only coil the front.

turbo42 please clear this up, as everyone on here told me that leaf front was fine and DOT said that it was coil or nothing.

the engineer said it would be fine to do it either way but DOT said coil only and i got chewed because of it.

chunderlicious wrote:"Coiling the front is fine also." was the comment i was referring to. although he might be taking the mickey. but i was told that on a coil rear you can only coil the front.

turbo42 please clear this up, as everyone on here told me that leaf front was fine and DOT said that it was coil or nothing.

the engineer said it would be fine to do it either way but DOT said coil only and i got chewed because of it.

We are talking about a Solid Axle Swap. That is removing Independant Suspension and Substituting another suspension set up and a Solid axle. Not doing a leaf or coil conversion on a vehicle that allready has a solid axle.

that is what i am talking about, solid axle conversion on a IFS model hilux

chunderlicious wrote:that is what i am talking about, solid axle conversion on a IFS model hilux

And he is saying the SAS(Solid Axle Swap) is the issue. Not the Leaves or coils.

this is the most confusing thread ever

frp88 wrote:this is the most confusing thread ever

x2


what is the plural for GENIUS?

Roctoy Designfab wrote:

frp88 wrote:this is the most confusing thread ever

x2


what is the plural for GENIUS?

Genii!!

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/genius

I think i might just get rid of the acronyms in this post.

turbo42 wrote:No as that model 4 Runner was not availible with a Solid Axle Swap axle and the rules are very specific in relation to doing a Solid Axle Swap.

The issue is the Solid Axle Swap bit not the modification itself. If it had a Solid Axle Swap rear then you could argue, if you were using a leaf hilux and coiling the rear that is ok as well. Coiling the front is fine also.

In QLD they hate Solid Axle Swap and have been very restrictive on its retrospective application.

That really doesn't make any sense at all.

ok read that again..... yeah ruff i apologise to you, i was way off what he was talking about and i can tell you turbo that it is legal.

chunderlicious wrote:ok read that again..... yeah ruff i apologise to you, i was way off what he was talking about and i can tell you turbo that it is legal.

Its Cool i knew all along you had no idea what you were talking about

Well i have decided to go with a 79 series front end, its a bit pricey but i do get bigger cv's and brakes than a bundy, and better front radius arm setup.
steve

killalux wrote:Well i have decided to go with a 79 series front end, its a bit pricey but i do get bigger cv's and brakes than a bundy, and better front radius arm setup.
steve

good thought but they are all still like 55" wms to wms

RUFF wrote:

chunderlicious wrote:ok read that again..... yeah ruff i apologise to you, i was way off what he was talking about and i can tell you turbo that it is legal.

Its Cool i knew all along you had no idea what you were talking about

bj on roids wrote:

killalux wrote:Well i have decided to go with a 79 series front end, its a bit pricey but i do get bigger cv's and brakes than a bundy, and better front radius arm setup.
steve

good thought but they are all still like 55" wms to wms

they are the same as hilux aren't they?? i would love to go to the wider 80series (lot cheaper too), but i want this completely legal and engineered.
steve