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not wanting to waste money on an air locker at the moment only to change the drive-line later this year(if finances permit)
I was wanting to purchase a traction aid for my front Diff,
I am loving the rear locker atm, but just wanted something in the front to climb more tricky - technical stuff, rocks boulders, you know.
which would people recomend?
My zook is mainly just a mud pig atm but wanting more technical driving in the future!
not sure if the LSD is going to suit the terrain I'm talking about but it might help

this

http://www.puresuzuki.com/Limited_Slip.htm


or this

http://www.puresuzuki.com/Axle%20Lockers.htm


Any experience in LSD or Locked fronts (NOT welded fronts) would be apreciated.

not saying that I will be buying from any specific places as yet, pics and links are just for reference for now!

just bought lockrights for the f/r just trying to get the courage to stick them in couldnt go past the price from rockyroad or lowrange both give good service

An LSD will be a waste of money.

If it's just temporary, the lock right will be OK, bear in mind though they will increase the load on the CV's though and there is some variation in the way they can be set up - some are tighter than others

Steve.

the lsd is listed as a front or rear but is the same part number for both, so unless you have or are prepared to buy double tough style axles, there is only a decision between lockright or air locker ( unless somebody else makes a true front lsd)
jason

I thought lockright in the front required rear axles also? Calmini axles seem to be the cheapest.

yeah they do, I can get them here in brissy but they are nearly $700

GRPABT1 wrote:I thought lockright in the front required rear axles also? Calmini axles seem to be the cheapest.

what are you talking about do you mean i have to get new axles

boner59 wrote:

GRPABT1 wrote:I thought lockright in the front required rear axles also? Calmini axles seem to be the cheapest.

what are you talking about do you mean i have to get new axles

Lockright in the front doesn't require them.

zookimal wrote:

boner59 wrote:

GRPABT1 wrote:I thought lockright in the front required rear axles also? Calmini axles seem to be the cheapest.

what are you talking about do you mean i have to get new axles

Lockright in the front doesn't require them.

THANKS

danso:
i just put a lock rite in the front of mine with a welded rear and its great. being new its still tight, same as a welded front, but driving in 2wd makes it like open. im sure it will wear and loosen up a bit. i drove cityview all day today in 4wd and it was fine
your more than welcom to take my car for a drive with the lockrite to see if u want to go that way. it mite or mite not convince u to go air straight up.
im happy with it

without going over the top what would the cost of this be
per diff??

over land 4x4 wrote:without going over the top what would the cost of this be
per diff??

lockrights 300 per diff landed in oz

Hi all.

My advise if you want to avoid air lockers is put a lockright in the front and weld the rear. I am currently running a lockright in the front of my 91WT and I find it great.

If your zook is post 1988.5 you will need to obtain a 4 pinion front carrier, as they went to a 2 pinion front after that. Lockrights DO NOT fit into a 2 pinion carrier. A rear 4 pinion carrier can be substituted (if you get a rear one you will need to put FRONT sidegears into it, as front and rear axles are different...)

You do not need new axles for the lockright.

I got my lockright from Rocky Road Outfitters USA and found them to be great to deal with AND the cheapest (well under $300AUD to my door)

Cheers,

Pez

Thanks 11_evl, I might take you up on that one day soon,

Pazooki
my zook is 88 W/T 3.9 centers, I'm prety sure its 4 pinion but not sure?

its not that I'm trying to avoid air lockers just the price of them,
I have a mini spool in the rear at the moment and love it off road,
sometimes its anoying when pulling into shoping centers or servo's, only because of the noise but sometimes its cool
RRO for under $300... sounds good chears

No worries Danzo.

If I were you I would pull the front center out first, just to be sure of what center you have...

Good luck with the project!

Pez

Danzo wrote:Pazooki
my zook is 88 W/T 3.9 centers, I'm prety sure its 4 pinion but not sure?

its not that I'm trying to avoid air lockers just the price of them,
I have a mini spool in the rear at the moment and love it off road,
sometimes its anoying when pulling into shoping centers or servo's, only because of the noise but sometimes its cool
RRO for under $300... sounds good chears

yeh the doller changed when i got mine and good luck and have fun

no problems. they mite not be in for too much longer as im going bigger
being 3.9 and 88 u have a very good chance its 4 pinion

Being an 88 model with 3.9's I would say he has exactly 50% chance its a 4 pinion.

yeah it is
(thanks 11-evll)

Danzo wrote: my zook is 88 W/T 3.9 centers, I'm prety sure its 4 pinion but not sure?

If its a WT then it'd have 3.7 centres and only the 2-pinion front, unless there was some crossover when they went WT mid 88 and they still kept 3.9 centres??

zooker wrote:

Danzo wrote: my zook is 88 W/T 3.9 centers, I'm prety sure its 4 pinion but not sure?

If its a WT then it'd have 3.7 centres and only the 2-pinion front, unless there was some crossover when they went WT mid 88 and they still kept 3.9 centres??

I believe this can be the case. If the WT it came out of had plastic flares, it may also have a 4 pinion front diff, even though it would have 3.7 gears.

Steve.

yes they did release the 3.9 centres in the 88 w/t
same bolt holes as the N/t
different bolt holes for the 3.7 w/t
8mm holes in mine but the 3.7 w/t have 10mm holes ,,,
I'm pretty sure,

A little off topic but does the ARB air locker require any axle, gear or pinion change for the front?

No.

Steve.

whats so bad about that LSD?

Nothing except it just isn't a locker

true true

Still an LSD can go quite well off road tho yes?

StarkRavingSimmo wrote:true true

Still an LSD can go quite well off road tho yes?

Nah not really. A LSD just limits the amount of differential action between the wheels, where as a locker eliminates it. An LSD can still have you stuck, because not enough drive is going to the wheel you want it to be at. A locker delivers 100% drive to both wheels. Some LSD's are beter than others, and you can shim them up pretty tight, but they are still not a locker.

Layto....

LSD is better in the rear for a daily driver.
If it is for the front, go the lockrite