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A mate and I are building a zook buggy ATM, and have encountered a little problem. At the beginning I suggested we move the 16v back into the cab, and move the front diff forward to give the buggy better weight balance. The engine has gone back 250mm, and down 150mm. As a result, there has been little room left to run the triangulated uppers.

So my question....is it possible to put a curve in the uppers to go around the sump, or will not having straight arms cause geometry issues?

Clear as mud?

Gutless wrote:A mate and I are building a zook buggy ATM, and have encountered a little problem. At the beginning I suggested we move the 16v back into the cab, and move the front diff forward to give the buggy better weight balance. The engine has gone back 250mm, and down 150mm. As a result, there has been little room left to run the triangulated uppers.

So my question....is it possible to put a curve in the uppers to go around the sump, or will not having straight arms cause geometry issues?

Clear as mud?

the link dosent know it is bent

so as long as it is strong enough not to bend more u will be right

also u wont be able to use heims on both ends as the link will flop

also a 4 link in the front?? full hydro steer?

redzook wrote:

Gutless wrote:A mate and I are building a zook buggy ATM, and have encountered a little problem. At the beginning I suggested we move the 16v back into the cab, and move the front diff forward to give the buggy better weight balance. The engine has gone back 250mm, and down 150mm. As a result, there has been little room left to run the triangulated uppers.

So my question....is it possible to put a curve in the uppers to go around the sump, or will not having straight arms cause geometry issues?

Clear as mud?

the link dosent know it is bent

so as long as it is strong enough not to bend more u will be right

also u wont be able to use heims on both ends as the link will flop

also a 4 link in the front?? full hydro steer?

Poo! I was going to run hiems at both ends

Ok, I might have to look into missalignment joints, or perhaps A-framing the front Don't really want to

Yes full hydro

You could balance the link by either making it "s" shaped or by adding weight, therefore it wouldn't want to fall to one side.

why not change the sump

I've seen some pics, this is an cool build. I think if changing the sump was an option these guys would have done it.

Its not just the sump. The block is sitting so low that the arm; if straight; could potentially hit the block on full stuff. The buggy is on 16" Fox coilovers, and sits at 1/3 extention ( or less) at static ride height. this helps a little with clearances during the setup period because they won't get much closer than what they are at ride hieght, but the block/ arm clearance is a little worrying on the passengers side, hence the bent arms question.

Front. Only pic I have. this was taken quite some time ago, but you can see the posision of the motor. Cylinder 4 is actually inside the cab.


Rear

Go dry sump, virtually no pan required at all, good for angles as there is no oil in the sump.

Would also let you lower the engine even more, or tip it on an angle etc etc......

I likey Gutless - some thought's gone into that.

Steve.

MightyMouse wrote:Go dry sump, virtually no pan required at all, good for angles as there is no oil in the sump.

Would also let you lower the engine even more, or tip it on an angle etc etc......

Love to dry sump it, but the budget may not stretch that far

Really though, the sump isn't an issue. I can take the corners off the leading edge of the sump if need be, but I still think the bottom of the block/ sump flange area is at risk of contacting a straight arm.

Maybe I should be looking at a 5 link? Going full hydro (single ended ram) so there would be plenty of room for the panhard....

3 link with panhard should solve everything shouldnt it?

antt wrote:3 link with panhard should solve everything shouldnt it?

Yeah.

Upper on drivers or passengers side? I'm leaning towards the passengers side with a combined upper mount and panhard mount. This would be easier than bent uppers I guess.

Thanks for the tips fellas.

Gutless wrote:

antt wrote:3 link with panhard should solve everything shouldnt it?

Yeah.

Upper on drivers or passengers side? I'm leaning towards the passengers side with a combined upper mount and panhard mount. This would be easier than bent uppers I guess.

Thanks for the tips fellas.

easier to work a panhard mount off the pumkin to the passanger side of the chassis

then tie the 3rd link into the mount on the pumpkin

Gwagensteve wrote:I likey Gutless - some thought's gone into that.

Steve.

Yeah, I like it too!!

I think a 3 link and panhard could sole the problem too.

Mock