Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Because you end up with THIS under your carpets and even worse IN the carpets. And the smell is - umm ... interesting ... to say the least.




The good news is, that it took half a day to strip it, then clean it all up, but now it looks like THIS:



But it sure does pay to spend half a day once in a while pulling EVERYTHING from the inside of your vehicle though.
Because you find problems you didn't even know existed.
Check this photo.


Those yellow circles show the way the middle row seat mounts have cracked the floor and folded forward slightly
Secondly, the green circle shows where at some stage either one of the shocks, or something else, has seriously impacted the underside and punched a dent up into the floor. I had a shock pull itself into two halves once upon a time, but it was the driver's side rear one, and that dent is the passenger's side, so doubt it was from that incident, but it's a fair size dent, it must have taken quite a punch.
But those seat mounts are a worry, it looks like I have some welding jobs for a mate of mine to do.

Oh, and the other advantage is that I found $2.46 cents (yep an old 1cent piece was in there too). And I even found an aerial from a mobile phone car-kit under the sort of plastic scuff guard thingy that also holds the carpet down where the front passenger gets in and out. It was so large, it beats me how it got under the plastic. Must have something to do with the remnants of a hands free kit I found up inside the centre console.

Yep I normally pull the flooring up in my hilux every coupe of years and give it a good cleaning. I'm putting carpet in it soon so I'm just waiting till then to do it again.

you see i would love to do that, But i'm more than a bit worried what i might or more to the point not find under the vinyl.

i wanna know if there is like a DIY rhino lining

just fiber glass the inside

Mousie wrote:i wanna know if there is like a DIY rhino lining

Yep, look on ebay for "Hardliner" or look up anywhere for "Herculiner"
Comes in a kit you paint on yourself.
I have another thread here - Removing carpet and possible paint on alternatives ? with some photos in it of the do it yourself Herculiner, which I've since found also comes in grey and red as well as black.

No wonder why it still has problems running properly

Not that I play in the mud, but that is why I don't have carpet or vinyl in the zook, just rubber floor mats

The interesting smell comes from the water getting into the underfelt. This is VERY VERY hard to dry out as it basically disintegrates if you try to wet vac it.

If you don't get the felt perfectly dry the smell will come back.

I haven't had carpet/vinyl in an off road car for years, either herculiner or just paint.

Steve.

Ezookiel wrote: "Herculiner"

Just don't get any on your hootis!

Some mud just smells like a sewage pit. I'm waiting for a decent bit of rain to wash more off the underside of my vehicle after the last trip. Fortunately none inside

When I got my Patrol it had a bit of a pong coming from inside so I ripped the lot out and cleaned it. The felt on the carpet was all damp so I just ripped it off.

Floor was cracked around the rear seat mounts as well. I just left it as the rear seats don't get used but I'll fix it whenever I've got to weld something else up. A bit of surface rust here and there but otherwise ok.

Besides the clump of dried up mouldy coffee beans.

What actually really impressed me for a 19 year old car, is the complete LACK of rust.
That paint is like new, and the carpet has been wet on at least two other occasions.
Canberra isn't a real rust area, but it's only been here for 3 years, it was a Victorian car before that, but even with their damp climate, it's pretty impressive.

Have you stopped the water getting in and if so how did u do it?

I've spent some time on this issue on Disco Dave, but it's really hard to eliminate all entry points. The door seals on early Disocs have gaps in them which act like canals for water to enter. You can seal these, but then the door gets harder to close as the inside air can't get out:(

Not even going to attempt to get it watertight, it would have floated and gotten no traction on the bottom had it been too watertight.
My zook however was ridiculous, it wasn't even close. Water came in from everywhere. Was like a collander (sp?)

At least this thing floated for a second or two before it sank enough to get traction.

Reddo wrote:Have you stopped the water getting in and if so how did u do it?

I've spent some time on this issue on Disco Dave, but it's really hard to eliminate all entry points. The door seals on early Disocs have gaps in them which act like canals for water to enter. You can seal these, but then the door gets harder to close as the inside air can't get out:(

I believe it's pretty pointless trying to eliminate getting water into a car - nothing with that many holes in it could ever be properly sealed. I just accept that it will get in and try and make getting it out and cleaning up afterwards as easy as possible.

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:The interesting smell comes from the water getting into the underfelt. This is VERY VERY hard to dry out as it basically disintegrates if you try to wet vac it.

you obviously havent heard of this wonder product called febreeze

buy a defender and u dont have to worry about that shit u just hose it outhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mysp9FeOfd8&feature=related

like i said earlyer, fiber glass the inside, i talked to some glassers we had in at work glassing an oil bund, they rekon it would work fine, so im thinking of giving that a go when i eventualy get a new play thing.

simple answer is to not get stuck in bog holes !!! Drive them people

Wambat wrote:like i said earlyer, fiber glass the inside, i talked to some glassers we had in at work glassing an oil bund, they rekon it would work fine, so im thinking of giving that a go when i eventualy get a new play thing.

This sounds like it would be a massive PITA to me. What would the advantage be? how is it better than rhino/herculiner or even bare steel?

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:

Wambat wrote:like i said earlyer, fiber glass the inside, i talked to some glassers we had in at work glassing an oil bund, they rekon it would work fine, so im thinking of giving that a go when i eventualy get a new play thing.

This sounds like it would be a massive PITA to me. What would the advantage be? how is it better than rhino/herculiner or even bare steel?

Steve.

Wouldn't there still be a chance of moisture collecting under the fiberglass, where it can't escape (i don't believe the resin has particularly good adhesive properties??)

I'm more concerned about masking around ever hole, cover plate, trim mount etc, and then what? you have a smooth floor surface, except for all the stuff you had to mask around.

Glass is less impact resistant than the steel underneath- drop a hand winch in the back or something and i reckon you'll crack the glass or alternatively dent the floor under the glass where it flexes leading to disbonding and then moisture ingress etcetc

- I can't see the advantage. the bedliner products are super flexible, anti slip, and even if they do come away you can just cut the loose bit out.

Steve.

oh im not talking for the average every day 4wd, but a dedicated week end track truck, and ute, it would basicaly be the same as vynl, but then again i supose bare steel would be too.

i thought it would look just a bit more attractive than bare steel though, but i guess a few coats of paint on steel would be attractive enough,

If it's just a bush car steel is fine by me. I touch up the paint from time to time, but repairs and cleaning are dead easy.

I bought some $5 bunnings doormats (honeycomb rubber - they look like tiny anti fatigue mats used in machine shops) and cut them to fit. The mud just drops through.

Steve.

Smell, you havent smelt mud till you've smelt Toolangi mud, the shit is like dinosaur crap.

Loanrangie wrote:Smell, you havent smelt mud till you've smelt Toolangi mud, the shit is like dinosaur crap.

X2! I live 10 minutes from Toolangi's finest.

Steve.

simple..no carpet,no floor linings,no felt ect,just rubber mats, a hose for when you return & a good sterio to drown out the cab noise

Ezookiel wrote: Check this photo.


Those yellow circles show the way the middle row seat mounts have cracked the floor and folded forward slightly.

Not untypical for GQ's to crack the floor or the seat mounts .. the metal in them is pretty thin.

toolangi is what made me have to rip the carpet out in my last 4wd.

and i tell ya what some of them big arse bog holes out in the marrisvile/black spur national park can smell a bit, specialy as when i went through there last time, there were no fresh tracks.