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which is better?????
I'm losing sleep here over making a decission on what to get. Note they will be 15" so side wall rating may change. They are both the same price just dont really know which is as an overall a better tyre

wow so much helpful info in your post making the right answer so easy to give

How about adding things like size, vehicle, intended use etc

grimbo wrote:wow so much helpful info in your post making the right answer so easy to give

How about adding things like size, vehicle, intended use etc

he is tired, hes been losing sleep over this..

I'm tired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-pmpgrYQgs

MTZ

MTZ

MTZ

No comparison.

MTz for sure

so all you people answering know what vehicle, what size, what uses, what terrain, what type of loads to base your answers on?

Yep MTZ

grimbo wrote:so all you people answering know what vehicle, what size, what uses, what terrain, what type of loads to base your answers on?

most are going on bling factor, since thats all important.. but going on what I've heard on STT"s I'd go pirelli scorpions first..

sorry gq patrol 33 or 35 not sure on that bit yet. Will be a daily driver and mild offroad trips. I have pedes for more fair dinkum trips

MTRs

bogged wrote:

grimbo wrote:so all you people answering know what vehicle, what size, what uses, what terrain, what type of loads to base your answers on?

most are going on bling factor, since thats all important.. but going on what I've heard on STT"s I'd go pirelli scorpions first..

He didn't ask us for the bling factor!! If thats the most important thing for you, thats your choise not ours. He asked which is as an overall a better tyre? MTZ

Correct, bling is not big on my list. What is the go though with 15" tyres only being 6 ply and 16" 10 ply.
Are the MTZ's quite punture resistant?
How many k's would i expect to get out of a set based on my previous description

Cheers

SIM79 wrote:He didn't ask us for the bling factor!! If thats the most important thing for you, thats your choise not ours. He asked which is as an overall a better tyre? MTZ

People were making decisions without any info. You cant say to someone an STT or MTZ is best for you without knowing what he was using it for. Now its occasional wheeling and mainly daily duties, I think theres better tires than both for what he wants considering he has Simex's for playing.

So how did you come to your decision not knowing what he wanted he used his truck for? May have been pure road work.

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/vi ... hlight=stt

this link might be more usefull than some of the other crap getting posted on here in recent times......no its not a comparison but if you look youll find most people are happy with STT's as an all rounder.

My MTZ's wander like a lost dog unless they are at 28PSI. That's on a cruiser in a 285/75/16.
Not wearing exceptionally well, probably be stuf before 50,000km.
They do go well off-road, and aren't too noisy.

Paul

bogged wrote:

SIM79 wrote:He didn't ask us for the bling factor!! If thats the most important thing for you, thats your choise not ours. He asked which is as an overall a better tyre? MTZ

People were making decisions without any info. You cant say to someone an STT or MTZ is best for you without knowing what he was using it for. Now its occasional wheeling and mainly daily duties, I think theres better tires than both for what he wants considering he has Simex's for playing.

So how did you come to your decision not knowing what he wanted he used his truck for? May have been pure road work.

Possibly because he has MTZ's on his car now and may have had STT's in the past. Quoting Sim in person "The MTZ's are the best tyre I've ever had on the road" so for the application I think they suit, agresssive but still good on the road.

NutterGQ wrote:http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/vi ... hlight=stt

this link might be more usefull than some of the other crap getting posted on here in recent times......no its not a comparison but if you look youll find most people are happy with STT's as an all rounder.

Cheers mate,

thanks for the link. This is the kind of thing i was after.

truck looks good mate. I am going 2inch spring and 2 inch body aswell. Was thinking of 33's but after seeing 35's on a similar setup i think they are the go

bogged wrote:

SIM79 wrote:He didn't ask us for the bling factor!! If thats the most important thing for you, thats your choise not ours. He asked which is as an overall a better tyre? MTZ

People were making decisions without any info. You cant say to someone an STT or MTZ is best for you without knowing what he was using it for. Now its occasional wheeling and mainly daily duties, I think theres better tires than both for what he wants considering he has Simex's for playing.

So how did you come to your decision not knowing what he wanted he used his truck for? May have been pure road work.

because he asked what was the better tyre an STT or MTZ and seeing as they are similar tyres designed for the same purpose being an all round mud/road tyre i gave my opinion which was MTZ i use then on both my GUs for road, sand ,touring for my coil cab i have bais claws for play but have used the MTZs for hardcore rock climbing as well(to lazy to change wheels)and they performed well .As i have said in previous posts these are the best mud trye i have driven on the street bar none and i have owned a lot of mud tyres

i have stt's, have been driving on them for nearly 2 years now doing touring and a bit of rock crawling... prob have done about 30,000 kms and still have about 70% tread left....

never had a puncture, seem to be getting torn up a little but but driving them around some places will do that...

Good strong tyres,... but as i have never had mtz i cannot compare...

I only went the coopers because they claim to be the best wearing tyre and really strong

Brad

rvh96 wrote:

bogged wrote:

SIM79 wrote:He didn't ask us for the bling factor!! If thats the most important thing for you, thats your choise not ours. He asked which is as an overall a better tyre? MTZ

People were making decisions without any info. You cant say to someone an STT or MTZ is best for you without knowing what he was using it for. Now its occasional wheeling and mainly daily duties, I think theres better tires than both for what he wants considering he has Simex's for playing.

So how did you come to your decision not knowing what he wanted he used his truck for? May have been pure road work.

because he asked what was the better tyre an STT or MTZ and seeing as they are similar tyres designed for the same purpose being an all round mud/road tyre i gave my opinion which was MTZ i use then on both my GUs for road, sand ,touring for my coil cab i have bais claws for play but have used the MTZs for hardcore rock climbing as well(to lazy to change wheels)and they performed well .As i have said in previous posts these are the best mud trye i have driven on the street bar none and i have owned a lot of mud tyres

Great info, Have you had STT's ? . I ask cause i just got a 50% set (STT)off a mate and will be due for a new set in a few months with the km i clock up.

are the MTZ just as puncture resistant ?

Thanks for the Hijack

pongo wrote:

rvh96 wrote:

bogged wrote:

SIM79 wrote:He didn't ask us for the bling factor!! If thats the most important thing for you, thats your choise not ours. He asked which is as an overall a better tyre? MTZ

People were making decisions without any info. You cant say to someone an STT or MTZ is best for you without knowing what he was using it for. Now its occasional wheeling and mainly daily duties, I think theres better tires than both for what he wants considering he has Simex's for playing.

So how did you come to your decision not knowing what he wanted he used his truck for? May have been pure road work.

because he asked what was the better tyre an STT or MTZ and seeing as they are similar tyres designed for the same purpose being an all round mud/road tyre i gave my opinion which was MTZ i use then on both my GUs for road, sand ,touring for my coil cab i have bais claws for play but have used the MTZs for hardcore rock climbing as well(to lazy to change wheels)and they performed well .As i have said in previous posts these are the best mud trye i have driven on the street bar none and i have owned a lot of mud tyres

Great info, Have you had STT's ? . I ask cause i just got a 50% set (STT)off a mate and will be due for a new set in a few months with the km i clock up.

are the MTZ just as puncture resistant ?

Thanks for the Hijack

no i havent owned a set of STTs but i did a 7000km trip in june last year with a mate across the simpson and back down the plenty hwy.He ran 285/75 STTs on his HJ79 cruiser and i had 315/75 MTZs .He had 3 flats (1 blew out at 110km on the plenty ,2 had tossed of the tread on the black top near longreach) so he ended up with no spare.I had 1 flat (50mm roof screw near alice springs) the cruiser was carring more weight than my GU probably about 300kg more but i think the 285s are a heigher load rate than 315s.The other difference between the two tyres is that MTZs are a lot quieter also

rvh96 wrote:

pongo wrote:

rvh96 wrote:

bogged wrote:

SIM79 wrote:He didn't ask us for the bling factor!! If thats the most important thing for you, thats your choise not ours. He asked which is as an overall a better tyre? MTZ

People were making decisions without any info. You cant say to someone an STT or MTZ is best for you without knowing what he was using it for. Now its occasional wheeling and mainly daily duties, I think theres better tires than both for what he wants considering he has Simex's for playing.

So how did you come to your decision not knowing what he wanted he used his truck for? May have been pure road work.

because he asked what was the better tyre an STT or MTZ and seeing as they are similar tyres designed for the same purpose being an all round mud/road tyre i gave my opinion which was MTZ i use then on both my GUs for road, sand ,touring for my coil cab i have bais claws for play but have used the MTZs for hardcore rock climbing as well(to lazy to change wheels)and they performed well .As i have said in previous posts these are the best mud trye i have driven on the street bar none and i have owned a lot of mud tyres

Great info, Have you had STT's ? . I ask cause i just got a 50% set (STT)off a mate and will be due for a new set in a few months with the km i clock up.

are the MTZ just as puncture resistant ?

Thanks for the Hijack

no i havent owned a set of STTs but i did a 7000km trip in june last year with a mate across the simpson and back down the plenty hwy.He ran 285/75 STTs on his HJ79 cruiser and i had 315/75 MTZs .He had 3 flats (1 blew out at 110km on the plenty ,2 had tossed of the tread on the black top near longreach) so he ended up with no spare.I had 1 flat (50mm roof screw near alice springs) the cruiser was carring more weight than my GU probably about 300kg more but i think the 285s are a heigher load rate than 315s.The other difference between the two tyres is that MTZs are a lot quieter also

see isn't that a much better answer than just saying MTZ as per your original answer.

bogged wrote:MTRs

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They wear well, grip well (lots of buggies even ran them before stickies were available) they're "ok" in the mud, not too loud on the road and have found them to be very good on gravel roads.

rvh96 wrote:no i havent owned a set of STTs but i did a 7000km trip in june last year with a mate across the simpson and back down the plenty hwy.He ran 285/75 STTs on his HJ79 cruiser and i had 315/75 MTZs .He had 3 flats (1 blew out at 110km on the plenty ,2 had tossed of the tread on the black top near longreach) so he ended up with no spare.I had 1 flat (50mm roof screw near alice springs) the cruiser was carring more weight than my GU probably about 300kg more but i think the 285s are a heigher load rate than 315s.The other difference between the two tyres is that MTZs are a lot quieter also

How much air was he running on the highway?

it's unusual for them or almost any tyre to just lose th tread area for no reason.

Rogue Patrol wrote:

rvh96 wrote:no i havent owned a set of STTs but i did a 7000km trip in june last year with a mate across the simpson and back down the plenty hwy.He ran 285/75 STTs on his HJ79 cruiser and i had 315/75 MTZs .He had 3 flats (1 blew out at 110km on the plenty ,2 had tossed of the tread on the black top near longreach) so he ended up with no spare.I had 1 flat (50mm roof screw near alice springs) the cruiser was carring more weight than my GU probably about 300kg more but i think the 285s are a heigher load rate than 315s.The other difference between the two tyres is that MTZs are a lot quieter also

How much air was he running on the highway?

it's unusual for them or almost any tyre to just lose th tread area for no reason.

not sure around 40psi i think,i was only running 35psi in mine. all his flats were rears

I was under the impression that Coopers are more prone to delaminating on hot bitumin (not the ST llug issue).

Slunnie wrote:I was under the impression that Coopers are more prone to delaminating on hot bitumin (not the ST llug issue).

Not usually.
Tyres that delaminate on a regular basis are few and far between these days.
Usually it's a matter of overloading/underinflation causing excess heat in the carcass.

I worked for an independant dealer that sold coopers along with many other brands for about 10 years.
The number of casing failures was very low and usually a cause could easily be found.
IE: A nail in a tyre on a laden vehicle will quite often cause a casing failure before the tyre actually goes flat.
Punctures occur more often on the rear and then more often on th lh side.
Tubeless tyres tend to go down slowly rather than a tubed tyre going flat quickly.
But even then, by the time you realize the tyre is flat at highway speed it's shagged from heat build up.

Back to topic..... I ran Coopers (S/T's & STT's) for years and never had any problems.
I've never used MTZ's.
I have MT/R's now and I'm quite surprised by the sidewall strength.