Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Just doing a poll to see what other forum members reckon.

As poll states. Are they needed or not?

I don't reckon they are.
When you do high steer conversion the rod has to come off, So thats why i don't reckon they are need, but still curious.
Any comments welcome too.
Cheers
Greg

Drive them hard enough and the torque rod bracket on the diff or chassis will detach itself eventually!

4be wrote: When you do high steer conversion the rod has to come off, So thats why i don't reckon they are need, but still curious.

Firstly do you understand why the Tourque rod is actually fitted?

i dont think he does ruff

RUFF wrote:

4be wrote: When you do high steer conversion the rod has to come off, So thats why i don't reckon they are need, but still curious.

Firstly do you understand why the Tourque rod is actually fitted?

i dont!!!!



please tell

go and have a look at how std hilux steering works and see if you can work it out

302 cruiser wrote:go and have a look at how std hilux steering works and see if you can work it out

yes ill just pop out and look at the std hilux i dont have.... big help, cheers

The std steering pushes foward and back the torque rod it there to help it if not fitted it'll tend to wrap the springs slightly and will find it'll chew bushes on the rh spring hanger because all the streering pressure is on that bush not shared by the torque rod. Never had one on mine and it chewed bushes and i could rase and lower it a bit through turning the steering left to right because of the angle the dragilink was running at, Now have Hi steer and it's sweet as. Another thing it's above the diff so it helps to eliminate springs wrap when under power in 4wd and braking an general

you need it if your runnin stock steerin mate cos as you brake the diff rotates backwards and the car will dive real hard to the left i mean REAL HARD mine used to change lanes once you fit crossover you dont need it

and if you lift it 2" do you need an extended one?

My current one is stock and stuffed, just trying to work out whether its worth getting new bushes, or an adjustable one.

RUFF wrote:

4be wrote: When you do high steer conversion the rod has to come off, So thats why i don't reckon they are need, but still curious.

Firstly do you understand why the Tourque rod is actually fitted?

Sort of.

One reason for poor results after lifting a vehicle with higher set springs, is not loosening off the torque rod bolts on the chassis, and diff.
Failure to do so, and re tension at new ride height will cause the torque rod to pull down on the drivers side.
Its there to allow the movement up and down of the suspention, without adversly affecting the steering arm's arc of movement when the suspention moves.
Thus when you read of those doing lane changes once its removed, whats happening is the diff location relative to the steering arm moves, changes toe direction, and you lane change, fight the steering etc.

With 2" lift, just loosten it off, and retention it to specs at new ride height, just as you do with the spring pins and shackles etc.


If you go an adjustable torque rod, go with an adjustable steering rod as well, and adjust them the same amount from standard.

Trains

edited by the spelling nazis

Maybe you should restart the poll with the question rephrased...
Is a torque rod needed on a Hilux with standard steering? maybe.
Jas.

4be wrote:

RUFF wrote:

4be wrote: When you do high steer conversion the rod has to come off, So thats why i don't reckon they are need, but still curious.

Firstly do you understand why the Tourque rod is actually fitted?

Sort of.

Sic lux and Trains have both explained what its actually there for. A lot of people think its only there as a Traction bar to stop axle wrap in the front. It was never intended to stop this although it does help some.

As trains said when lifting always loosen the bolts on the tourque arm or you will end up with a chassie like v6hilux posted. Although i have seen stock hilux's break this as well. Its also common for one of the welds to have missed the chassie on that mount which doesn't help either.

As for the lane changes under braking on some and not others. This will depend on wether the springs are flexy or not. Heavy springs dont suffer the brake steer as bad. I ran my hilux without the tourque rod for a long time with flexy springs. All you need to do under brakes is not fight the steering wheel. Let it rotate the 1/4 turn it wants to to compensate for the diff moving back under brakes.

Once you go Cross over steering the tourqe rod is useless other than limiting a little axle wrap. Although to make crossover steering and flexy springs work 100% you really need a Panhard rod added.

Yeah get the odd one through work starting to crack eaither end or totaly torn off, Also the chassis near the box is another common place for them to start cracking. Mainly when the get driven hard.

A mate'o'mine said to to the sleeve mod, where one end slides into the other. It looks like it's still attached when it's done that way.

As for legals, it must be in place.

Dont know how much steer correction it would do, but that would depend on the thickness of the steel used.

I never did it to mine.

Cool. Now i understand it better

Thanks for the input to all.

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As for legals, it must be in place.

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not if the high steer is engineered it doesnt have to be there....

yeah tore the same hole in my rail,tried mounting it under the spring hanger,didnt seem to really do the job and bent it anyway.gunna get the rail plated and put mount back in oe position .

The main purpose of the torque rod is to stop bump steer with suspension movement. In std trim it matches the steering drag link in length and angle so no matter where the axle moves it does not alter relative to the steering. This is the same priciple of matching the the panard and draglink on a coil front end, if they arnt matched this will cause bump steer.

Wally