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Mudflaps and covering tyres
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 11:45 am
by spazbot
Does anyone have a copy of the nsw requiemnts of what needs to be done to cover the wheels on the rear of a truck, im planning on building a new tray and want to work out what needs to be done for mudflaps etc
Do i need a full arch over the tyre?
i plan on making the mud flap bit long and removable so it can be taken off for wheeling, was thinking bout making the guard that runs over the tyre part of this aswell so it can be removed 2.
the tray im planning on building would be something similar to this
So i would have mudflaps/guards that can slot in to cover the wheels when required and can be removed for trail work etc.
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:02 pm
by Wendle
mud flaps have to cover the full width of the tyre to 300mm from the ground. as far as what is above the tyre, the tyre must be covered when viewed from above, but the ADR doesn't cover how close the covering "arch" has to be..
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:07 pm
by spazbot
ok does the arch need to come down at the front at all and cover a certin area of the front of the trye
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:10 pm
by Wendle
it's a hard call, because the ADR isn't specific enough, and was never written with custom 4wd's in mind. make sure your tyre is within the line of the tube, and your mudflaps are big enough, then go to the RTA and have them rape you and tell you that you need to add more junk to cover the tyres
it'll come down to who you ask on the day, cause the rules (apart from the mudflap thing) are not black & white enough..
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:17 pm
by spazbot
so you think the tyres will neeed to be within the line of the tube, well there goes the nice V style tray as the tyres wont be covered by the tube
only the rubber mudflaps and rubber wheel archs would cover it.
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:24 pm
by Wendle
nah, that might be OK, if the rubber wheel arch doodads are pretty substantial.
PM "mkpatrol" on this board and ask him, he is an RTA man
hopefully he'll chime in on this thread, anyways..
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 1:13 pm
by -Scott-
Some of the low-volume sports cars have a mudguard covering the tyre, with the whole lot outside the line of the body.
If you just want to make sure they can't get you, have a simple trailer style guard over the top of each wheel, coming down to 300mm from the ground both in front and behind the wheel. May not be the most stylish option...
Scott
Re: Mudflaps and covering tyres
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 5:42 pm
by Surfection
spazbot wrote:the tray im planning on building would be something similar to this. So i would have mudflaps/guards that can slot in to cover the wheels when required and can be removed for trail work etc.
Sorry dude i think i mis-read.... WHO'S gonna be building this tray and who's gonna be standing around drinking beer and waving the grinder around ???
Hypo is gonna be PISSED !!!! That tray is what he wants.... we already talked about mudflaps, thinking sheet metal to come out in a
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shape to just cover the tyre, with rubber edges for safety. Quick release pins with brackets on the tray to pin them to while wheeling, maybe make a drop box or compartment so they don't take up tray space, but stay benieth. Bender will be here soon young padeone, patience....patience
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 5:49 pm
by spazbot
im going to get my tray built by and experinced workshop
as i said it will be something like that
no a direct copy of the whitebrowithafro, maybee a bit of zags in there and a few other ideas ive liked, i know that is the tray ben wants but hey i like it 2
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 6:22 pm
by Surfection
spazbot wrote:im going to get my tray built by and experinced workshop
Sweet... i'll cancel the order of tube and go turn the welder off !!
Oh yeah, and everyone else, spaz now has his arse up for sale to pay for his new tray, any offers should be posted here rather than PM's, as it'll be funnier !
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:07 pm
by auto_eng
If you are doing a custom tray make sure you mount your lights in the right positions.
Your rear indicators and stop/position lamps have to be within 400mm of the extreme outer edge of your vehicle (width at widest point, excluding rear view mirrors). Max hight is 1500mm and min height is 350mm. The minimum distance between these lights is 600mm.
If you are short for room there are some LED Hella lamps out at the moment that do several functions at once. Check the Hella website. Try part number 2379.
Reverse lamps have to be between 250 mm and 1200mm but do not have a requirement for distance from the edge.
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:22 pm
by Surfection
auto_eng wrote:If you are doing a custom tray make sure you mount your lights in the right positions.
Your rear indicators and stop/position lamps have to be within 400mm of the extreme outer edge of your vehicle (width at widest point, excluding rear view mirrors). Max hight is 1500mm and min height is 350mm. The minimum distance between these lights is 600mm.
If you are short for room there are some LED Hella lamps out at the moment that do several functions at once. Check the Hella website. Try part number 2379.
Reverse lamps have to be between 250 mm and 1200mm but do not have a requirement for distance from the edge.
Great info there, thanks a bunch auto_eng !!
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:30 pm
by Shorty40
auto_eng wrote:If you are doing a custom tray make sure you mount your lights in the right positions.
Your rear indicators and stop/position lamps have to be within 400mm of the extreme outer edge of your vehicle (width at widest point, excluding rear view mirrors). Max hight is 1500mm and min height is 350mm. The minimum distance between these lights is 600mm.
If you are short for room there are some LED Hella lamps out at the moment that do several functions at once. Check the Hella website. Try part number 2379.
Reverse lamps have to be between 250 mm and 1200mm but do not have a requirement for distance from the edge.
Do you know if there is a requirement for two reverse lights, or will one suffice ?
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 9:58 pm
by turps
Shorty40 wrote:auto_eng wrote:If you are doing a custom tray make sure you mount your lights in the right positions.
Your rear indicators and stop/position lamps have to be within 400mm of the extreme outer edge of your vehicle (width at widest point, excluding rear view mirrors). Max hight is 1500mm and min height is 350mm. The minimum distance between these lights is 600mm.
If you are short for room there are some LED Hella lamps out at the moment that do several functions at once. Check the Hella website. Try part number 2379.
Reverse lamps have to be between 250 mm and 1200mm but do not have a requirement for distance from the edge.
Patrol GU wagons only have 1 reverse light on the drivers side. There is space on the other but has a blank in it and dont work.
Do you know if there is a requirement for two reverse lights, or will one suffice ?
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 10:16 pm
by Link
auto_eng wrote:If you are doing a custom tray make sure you mount your lights in the right positions.
Your rear indicators and stop/position lamps have to be within 400mm of the extreme outer edge of your vehicle (width at widest point, excluding rear view mirrors). Max hight is 1500mm and min height is 350mm. The minimum distance between these lights is 600mm.
If you are short for room there are some LED Hella lamps out at the moment that do several functions at once. Check the Hella website. Try part number 2379.
Reverse lamps have to be between 250 mm and 1200mm but do not have a requirement for distance from the edge.
Does this mean the entire lamps must be within 400mm or only part of them?
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:47 am
by Wendle
auto_eng wrote:If you are doing a custom tray make sure you mount your lights in the right positions.
Your rear indicators and stop/position lamps have to be within 400mm of the extreme outer edge of your vehicle (width at widest point, excluding rear view mirrors). Max hight is 1500mm and min height is 350mm. The minimum distance between these lights is 600mm.
If you are short for room there are some LED Hella lamps out at the moment that do several functions at once. Check the Hella website. Try part number 2379.
Reverse lamps have to be between 250 mm and 1200mm but do not have a requirement for distance from the edge.
and reflectors no higher than 900mm, that wil be the hardest thing to accomodate
Re: Mudflaps and covering tyres
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:48 am
by Wendle
[quote="Surfection" Bender will be here soon young padeone, patience....patience
[/quote]
which one did you buy?
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:28 am
by auto_eng
The limits for the location for the lights is to the edge of the lights, not the entire lamps. The term used is 'illuminated surface'.
One reverse lamp is fine. On some vehicle they will delete a reverse lamp on one side because it does not meet the angular visibility requirements because of the location of the spare wheel carrier. You see this a lot on wagons that have light put in the bumper where as when sold in Japan they just use the lamps on the corner of the vehicle.
Good pickup on the reflector Wendle. These have to have their bottom edge not more than 900mm above the ground the their outer edge within 400 mm of the edge of the vehicle. A lot of after market combination lamps come with a reflector as part of the stop/tail lamp but you can just put on an additional one if you are having trouble with height. Use something like a Hella 2920 as these are ADR approved.
They are an easy stick on item to use.
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:53 am
by Link
Thanks for the info..
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:56 am
by bogged
auto_eng wrote:Good pickup on the reflector Wendle. These have to have their bottom edge not more than 900mm above the ground the their outer edge within 400 mm of the edge of the vehicle.
Could you put them on the mudflaps and be ok? Like a trailer?
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:20 am
by spazbot
Good call bogged, that might be an idea, lots off good info comming out of this , thats for the input everyone
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:10 am
by auto_eng
Reflectors have to be mounted within 2 degrees of vertical. Provided you put them on a fixed section of the mudguard and not on a rubber section that could bend or flap, you should be ok.
Angular visiblity requirement would have to be met also.
Horizontally the reflector must be visible 30 degree inboard and outboard.
Vertically the reflector must be visible 10 degree above and below the horizontal. I use a digital spirit level to measure these. Make life a bit easier.
(inboard = towards the centre of the vehicle, outboard = toward the outside of the vehicle)
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:37 am
by Dozoor
My plan is to run the Gaurds on a hinge - pin setup.
The top flat of the gaurd is hinged at the side on the tray, the front down slope and rear down slope are hinged on to the top flat.
Gaurd is shaped in the classic trailer style,
With the gaurd in the road position . When off road the gaurd sits up flush along the tray side .creating a side board for the tray .
Getting this ? Might not be what you want but i considered the plan a while for complete removel and thought it would take to much room on the tray to mount them there while of road .If there was enough room between top flat and tire could even fold downwards .
Ruf very ruf drawing below .
Larry.
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:25 am
by MY45
Sounds like a good idea but the two ends may be more prone to damage from rocks etc.when in the up position . . . ?
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:28 am
by Dozoor
Whole gaurd ends up out of the way.
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:24 pm
by mkpatrol
This might help:
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vehicinfo_dl1.html
Look up: VSI6 - guidelines for vehicle modifications
VSI9 - guidelines for alternative wheels and tyres
Also you can get a copy of the ADR's from:
ADR subsrciptions
Department of Transport
GPO Box 594
Canberra City
ACT 2601
You will also find the NSW road transport regulations will have something on 'Mudguars and Spray Supression". I dont know where to find this but I would start looking at the NSW Government website as these are public records and readily acessable. I really can't give you any more information than that as we are not quite the same as NSW here.
I will give you some pointers, go and talk to a technical officer about the mods. Show him pictures so he can get a clear picture of what he you want. If he gives you the answers you want, make sure you get it all in writing because if you don't get it finished soon everybody will forget or that fellow may move on and you will get a different officer and he may not beleive you if you don't have any proof. Be polite and don't get cranky as the system is just as frustrating for the inspector as it is for you.
Make sure you position the guards as close as practicable to the wheels, looks like you can do this with the setup you are using. It is a good idea as you wont be pinged when you get back on the blacktop (eh wendle
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Make sure when the guards are in the down position they are fitted securely and comply to all the rules and you should be ok. The fact that they can be moved should not be a problem as long as they are secure while in transit.
As far as the lights are concerned make sure they comply to the ADR's (there are quite a few which apply to lights) and you should be ok.
I have given you the information like this because i could go on all day. If you tak your time and read the bulletins and tha ADR's clearly you will be able to work it out.
any more queastions let me know.
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:45 pm
by spazbot
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:07 pm
by JK
auto_eng & mkpatrol,
Thanks V.much for taking the time to answer these queries as thoroughly as you have. It is VERY timely as a certain truck is getting engineered on Thurs.
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:19 pm
by auto_eng
No probs. Good to see ADR knowledge can be used for more than impressing girls on a Friday night.....
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:30 pm
by JoeLux
are these rules similar or the same in Vic?