Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:17 am**

Dear outerlimts members,

We are three students in ‘Product Innovation & Entrepreneurship’ at the University of Antwerp Management School (Belgium).
Currently we are developing an automatic system that makes 4x4 vehicles get unstuck faster and more efficiently, whenever they got stuck.
We would like to make use of your experience and knowledge to improve the product and to define market potential.
Therefore your opinion is very welcome in our online survey (5 to 20 small questions, when you don not match our target group this will be rather short).

The survey has ended!

Thanks everybody who filled it in!

Thomas
Michiel
Philippe

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:12 pm**

so what's the product?

and why do i have to use babelfish for the survey?

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:44 pm**

Getting a page in Dutch...

Miner deutche (and dutch) is shizen yah!!!

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:47 pm**

And why a management school?

Hmmm, are you conducting a fake survey for the purpose of collating information for a management thesis?

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:12 pm**

lolergram wrote:And why a management school?

Hmmm, are you conducting a fake survey for the purpose of collating information for a management thesis?

My bet is for logging your ISP/MAC addresses for spam....

If the initial poster ("Researcher") would like to come forward with a bit more information than a "hit my site" request, perhaps we may consider giving our opinion. Until then I would say AVOID THIS SITE LIKE THE PLAGUE.

This smells of scam/spam.

If it was a legit research process then you should have a website affiliated with the University of Antwerp, surely, and not "Spam/scam Central" Google????

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:29 pm**

Does the new innovation involve the use of IFS, wiper shims and headlight fluid to break through the first layer of gravity and, in doing so, answer that age old question of how to lift a mav?

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:35 pm**

uni of belgium was one of those nigerian type scams wasnt it? send $200 to get a million or a hottie.

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:49 pm**

Interesting that none of their names or their research shows up on the Universities management research web page.

http://www.ua.ac.be/main.aspx?c=.ONDERZ ... showproj=1

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:38 pm**

Hi all,

I can ensure you that this survey is not a scam. We don't want your emailadresses, in order to fill in the questionnaire you only have to fill in a name, whether you fill in your forum name, your emailadress or a name you just made up, it all doesn't matter to us. (I will add this also to the first post of this topic, just to make it all clear. Which we should have already done in the first place..)

The reason why we are not mentionned in the list of researchers of the University of Antwerp, is because we are still students. As part of getting our degrees this summer, we have to make a business plan and this survey is part of it.

Thanks for all the valuable feedback and for filling in our survey!

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:52 pm**

PhiRider, I completed the survey, however, why does the survey shut you out if you don't participate in "desert" travel? when it accepts "trail" as a terrain and allows mud/rock etc as a type of "stuck"

It seems you are maybe limiting your survey group or possible market for your product due to some assumptions about the use.

Steve.

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:17 pm**

I nearly got through the 1st line b4 I fell asleeep,,too many big words in it for me !!!!

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:58 pm**

also @googlegroups.com email addy, why not at the Uni?

Posted: **Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:13 pm**

Nobody's making you fill it out Bogged, but my wife's doing her masters atm and you'd be surprised what questions a management student might want to ask. She's just done a group assignment on ARB airlockers.

You don't have to put in an email addy, any name will do - it's just (almost) meaningless data.... these guys just need some data to write a paper. Give them a break.

Steve.

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:41 am**

This doesn't look like a fraud to me.

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:20 am**

bogged wrote:also @googlegroups.com email addy, why not at the Uni?

I did a university assignment last semester where using university e-mail acounts did not give my group and I the flexibility we required for the project. We used google groups because its a free service and it does offer some very usefull document exchange functions etc.

Give google groups a go, its quite good. Some people might even find it a good way to organise a 4wding trip with their mates

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:24 am**

chimpboy wrote:This doesn't look like a fraud to me.

Dunno about 'the product' though

Sounds like 4 automatic high-lift jacks attached to the underside!

That'd be safe on hills, right?

(yes i understand it's just a mock up product for a research assignment)

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:47 am**

im dubious about the "would you buy something that lifts you vertically then move you horizontaly 2 metres" its either gunna be friggin big, friggin complex, friggin dangerous, or friggin all of the above!

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:14 pm**

macca81 wrote:im dubious about the "would you buy something that lifts you vertically then move you horizontaly 2 metres" its either gunna be friggin big, friggin complex, friggin dangerous, or friggin all of the above!

Something like this

and this

would do....

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:20 pm**

DAMKIA wrote:
lolergram wrote:And why a management school?

Hmmm, are you conducting a fake survey for the purpose of collating information for a management thesis?

My bet is for logging your ISP/MAC addresses for spam....

If the initial poster ("Researcher") would like to come forward with a bit more information than a "hit my site" request, perhaps we may consider giving our opinion. Until then I would say AVOID THIS SITE LIKE THE PLAGUE.

This smells of scam/spam.

If it was a legit research process then you should have a website affiliated with the University of Antwerp, surely, and not "Spam/scam Central" Google????

Now tell me if i am a bit naive, but what can they possibly get from your internet service provider (i assume you mean ip) or mac address that will open the door to spam.

An IP addy is pretty useless information, they dont ask for email address or even a real name so its highly doubtful to me you have anything to lose by clicking on the link.

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:25 pm**

PhRider wrote:Hi all,

I can ensure you that this survey is not a scam. We don't want your emailadresses

This is Bullshit

I have been receiving this in my email for days now. At least 5 times a day.

Je hebt geen toestemming om een bericht te plaatsen in de discussiegroep
autolifter. Mogelijk moet je je eerst aanmelden bij de discussiegroep voordat
je een bericht norti werd plaatsen. Het kan ook zo zijn dat deze discussiegroep
momenteel geen berichten accepteert.

Ga om deel te nemen aan deze discussiegroep of voor meer informatie over wie
er berichten mag plaatsen naar http://groups.google.co/group/autolifter/about?hl=.

Meer informatie over Google Discussiegroepen is ook beschikbaar op:
http://groups.google.co/support?hl=

Care to explain? No i dont read Dutch and Bable Fish struggles to translate it.

bable fish Translation wrote:You have to no authorisation a bulletin in the discussion group place car hitchhiker. Possibly you must firstly submit an application at the discussion group before you can place reported. It can also this way be that this discussion group accepts bulletins at present no. Will take part in this discussion group or for further information on which bulletins there can place to http://groups.google.co/group/autolifter/about?hl=. Further information on Google discussion groups is also available on: http://groups.google.co/support?hl=

I have never visited your site. I am however the owner of this site and my email is viewable by the public. Im guessing you have taken this from our user list and started spamming people.

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:39 pm**

Hmmm not good.

Steve.

Posted: **Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:16 pm**

Posted: **Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:13 am**

PhRider wrote:Dear outerlimts members,

We are three students in ‘Product Innovation & Entrepreneurship’ at the University of Antwerp Management School (Belgium).
Currently we are developing an automatic system that makes 4x4 vehicles get unstuck faster and more efficiently, whenever they got stuck.
We would like to make use of your experience and knowledge to improve the product and to define market potential.
Therefore your opinion is very welcome in our online survey (5 to 20 small questions, when you don not match our target group this will be rather short).

IMPORTANT: Due to software limitations, the first page of the survey isn't in English. Here are the instructions about what you should do:
- In the textbox: fill in your emailadres or a name (e.g. your forum name)
- Click the box in front of "Nee, liever niet!"
- Click "naar de enquête gaan..." to go the the survey.. in English

Thank you in advance and kind regards,

Thomas Vanherk
Michiel Corluy
Philippe De Naeyer

In case of questions or remarks, please do not hesitate to contact us at autolifter@googlegroup
Please feel free to forward this link to people who might be interested.

Edit this post one more time before replying to my previous question and i will ban you from this site. And will remove any other mention of your product.

I know you were last on line here on the 26 Mar 2008 @ 08:55pm and no doubt you read my reply. You also edited your original reply after i killed the links you added to it.

Posted: **Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:19 am**

Just received the same email again

Posted: **Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:47 am**

What the hell's going on ruff? Like an idiot i used my real email in the survey - still received nothing (tho haven't checked hotmail junk folder). I can't see how they're getting anything out of this

Still sounds like a shit product

Posted: **Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:19 pm**

dogbreath_48 wrote:What the hell's going on ruff? Like an idiot i used my real email in the survey - still received nothing (tho haven't checked hotmail junk folder). I can't see how they're getting anything out of this

Still sounds like a shit product

Im really not sure. But im receiving Emails i do not want and these guys are somehow involved in it.

I havent even looked at the product.

Posted: **Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:32 pm**

e-mail the university, then either the students will get straitened out by their co-ordinator (been there, done that), or this will be revealed as a big crock. The University will not want its name tarnished by its own students or fraudsters, and so should be co-operative.

Posted: **Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:41 pm**

Highway-Star wrote:e-mail the university, then either the students will get straitened out by their co-ordinator (been there, done that), or this will be revealed as a big crock. The University will not want its name tarnished by its own students or fraudsters, and so should be co-operative.

Do you honestly think these scammers are students at university??? My guess is that the uni are very well aware of what is happening, and powerless to get anything done to repair their reputation.

Hate to say I told you so, but........

All they have to do is get you to click a button on their site and it is possible to download malware that seeks your personal information (email addresses etc) and load software that turns your computer into a mule for their spam. What better way than with an innocent looking "questionnaire".

Posted: **Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:06 pm**

DAMKIA wrote:
Highway-Star wrote:e-mail the university, then either the students will get straitened out by their co-ordinator (been there, done that), or this will be revealed as a big crock. The University will not want its name tarnished by its own students or fraudsters, and so should be co-operative.
Do you honestly think these scammers are students at university??? My guess is that the uni are very well aware of what is happening, and powerless to get anything done to repair their reputation.

Hate to say I told you so, but........

All they have to do is get you to click a button on their site and it is possible to download malware that seeks your personal information (email addresses etc) and load software that turns your computer into a mule for their spam. What better way than with an innocent looking "questionnaire".

It is possible these guys are legit but im really doubting it seeing as how he has not replied since my first reply yet he came here and edited his first post.

Posted: **Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:01 pm**

DAMKIA wrote: Do you honestly think these scammers are students at university??? My guess is that the uni are very well aware of what is happening, and powerless to get anything done to repair their reputation.

Hate to say I told you so, but........

All they have to do is get you to click a button on their site and it is possible to download malware that seeks your personal information (email addresses etc) and load software that turns your computer into a mule for their spam. What better way than with an innocent looking "questionnaire".

I am thinking they are not legit, after what Ruff is putting up with, however there is a chance they are legit, and I know what its like trying to get this sort of stuff for uni.

what you say is not however unfair, as they don't seem to be trying too hard to verify their legitimacy.

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