Nissan Trials 2008

[Miss Wendy]

Hello Guys,

Well it’s early days yet but the Nissan Club is already working on the 2008 Nissan Trials.

Congratulations to all those who battle through the events last year. The weather wasn’t too bad and the Sunday’s events were played out in the bright sunshine.
Most competitors seemed to get well into the events to have a good go despite the weather dampening the tracks.
My event, Wombats Revenge worked very well with lots making thru for a 100 score and the others providing great photo opportunities with their ‘flop-overs’.

Trees Revenge also worked very well with the addition of the garage proving a popular inclusion to the event. The damn Dam, again with way to much water despite continually pumping out over Friday and Saturday, supplied much entertainment to crowds that gathered with many making to the finish.

As with last year, we will be reserving a limited number of places for brand new clubs so I encourage you guys to get organized early. This was developed to allow new clubs to have a go while still allowing every opportunity for our loyal participants.

The cut off date for applications this year is Friday the 17th of October. And as with last year there will be no alterations to the competition teams after the Wednesday prior the event.

In the not to distant future I will be making the forms and Rules and Regs etc. available on the website or you can request paper versions to be posted. So keep an eye out on the Clubs site for those.
nissanpatrolclub.org

Comments are most welcome and can be directed to the Trials Manager or by phone or mail with all the details provided on the website. All correspondence will be presented to the Trials committee for consideration.

Good luck to all of you in the selection process and look I forward to catching up at the 2008 Nissan Trials

Wendy

[CYRIL]

Hi Wendy.

Just wondering on the scoring. Can you review the scaling system for scoring, now that there generally are different tracks for the different classes, hence negating the need for scaling of those tracks. I agree, that where the track is a common track, then scaling should occur, eg mudrats revenge, but for many of the others, there are different lines at the harder sections which means that those in the more modified classes tend to get penalised twice for being in that class.

1. Penalty for being in a higher class and
2. Having the more difficult track to drive.


What do you think? This would also help the higher classes stack up better in the overall placings, which always seem to be taken out by someone in the modified class. This will also be important for overall team placings especially for clubs that have a team of open/outlaw trucks in comparison to clubs that enter a team of all modified class trucks.

Thanks

CA

[bucketofbolts]

ive had a question from a member,
he's keen on competing with his comp car, but was wanting to know if he brakes that car,
can he put his tow vehicle in as reserve, and he drives that (under reserve rules),
crazy i know, but just curious,

cheers ray

[thunder]

Hi Wendy.

Just wondering on the scoring. Can you review the scaling system for scoring, now that there generally are different tracks for the different classes, hence negating the need for scaling of those tracks. I agree, that where the track is a common track, then scaling should occur, eg mudrats revenge, but for many of the others, there are different lines at the harder sections which means that those in the more modified classes tend to get penalised twice for being in that class.

1. Penalty for being in a higher class and
2. Having the more difficult track to drive.


What do you think? This would also help the higher classes stack up better in the overall placings, which always seem to be taken out by someone in the modified class. This will also be important for overall team placings especially for clubs that have a team of open/outlaw trucks in comparison to clubs that enter a team of all modified class trucks.

Thanks

CA

SCRAPE the 1st place overall.and then have 1,2,and 3rd for each class and no handicaps..these percentages you get always help only the modified class win overall.(im in modified)

[turbo gu]

Hi Wendy.

Just wondering on the scoring. Can you review the scaling system for scoring, now that there generally are different tracks for the different classes, hence negating the need for scaling of those tracks. I agree, that where the track is a common track, then scaling should occur, eg mudrats revenge, but for many of the others, there are different lines at the harder sections which means that those in the more modified classes tend to get penalised twice for being in that class.

1. Penalty for being in a higher class and
2. Having the more difficult track to drive.


What do you think? This would also help the higher classes stack up better in the overall placings, which always seem to be taken out by someone in the modified class. This will also be important for overall team placings especially for clubs that have a team of open/outlaw trucks in comparison to clubs that enter a team of all modified class trucks.

Thanks

CA

This year all saturday events will be only 1 track per event so the scaling system should work for the day. There is a whole new event 2 which hopefully be fairly tuff with a very nice 100 point mark.

[ozy1]

wow, sounds like some track changes have been made, cant wait for this years event to roll around,

[thunder]

Hi Wendy.

Just wondering on the scoring. Can you review the scaling system for scoring, now that there generally are different tracks for the different classes, hence negating the need for scaling of those tracks. I agree, that where the track is a common track, then scaling should occur, eg mudrats revenge, but for many of the others, there are different lines at the harder sections which means that those in the more modified classes tend to get penalised twice for being in that class.

1. Penalty for being in a higher class and
2. Having the more difficult track to drive.


What do you think? This would also help the higher classes stack up better in the overall placings, which always seem to be taken out by someone in the modified class. This will also be important for overall team placings especially for clubs that have a team of open/outlaw trucks in comparison to clubs that enter a team of all modified class trucks.

Thanks

CA

This year all saturday events will be only 1 track per event so the scaling system should work for the day. There is a whole new event 2 which hopefully be fairly tuff with a very nice 100 point mark. [/quote
example..event 1 has different sections for outlaw etc

[super jeep]

i'm interested in this event and are wondering how the team thing works
the way the rules read you need 4 cars and reserve per team per club is this right, i meet the criteria for modified class and so does a couple of mates but we may only be able to round up three cars from our club.
also is it held at the same place as tuff truck

[thunder]

i'm interested in this event and are wondering how the team thing works
the way the rules read you need 4 cars and reserve per team per club is this right, i meet the criteria for modified class and so does a couple of mates but we may only be able to round up three cars from our club.
also is it held at the same place as tuff truck

No not tuff truck site

[Mid73]

ive had a question from a member,
he's keen on competing with his comp car, but was wanting to know if he brakes that car,
can he put his tow vehicle in as reserve, and he drives that (under reserve rules),
crazy i know, but just curious,

cheers ray

I don't think that can happen, because if his car is still going and someone else has to be replace he would have to driving 2 cars at once.

[j-top paj]

also is it held at the same place as tuff truck

not same place but its on the way to TTC
its about 80k south of TTC

[Miss Wendy]

ive had a question from a member,
he's keen on competing with his comp car, but was wanting to know if he brakes that car,
can he put his tow vehicle in as reserve, and he drives that (under reserve rules),
crazy i know, but just curious,

cheers ray

He can enter his tow car but can't drive it. The rules state the reserve cannot be any of the same team members.

[Miss Wendy]

i'm interested in this event and are wondering how the team thing works
the way the rules read you need 4 cars and reserve per team per club is this right, i meet the criteria for modified class and so does a couple of mates but we may only be able to round up three cars from our club.
also is it held at the same place as tuff truck

You will need to start with 4 cars. Reserve is optional. Some have advertised for a driver or to get a drive in another club on outers before with success. But the Stat Dec. on the application must be signed that you are a member of that club.

[Miss Wendy]

Nissan Trials are held up the Putty Road at Colo. So from Windsor end the site is 60km from the Windsor (Hawksbury) bridge. There is a mud map available on the clubs site. The page is not udated for the 2008 Trials yet but not much of the information has changed.

[turbo gu]

Sorry Thunder. the bits on event 1 still stay but they are on bits that don't really knock cars out more for something to drive on the the way to the higher points. Event 2 and 4 are 1 track start to finish. 1 and 3 will have short sections that are divided but only into 2 not 4 tracks unless every one wants to drive the logs on event 3

[CYRIL]

I still reckon the scoring needs to be review. The modified cars always end up with more points than the open and outlaw.

For individual drivers this is not a problem.

The problem is for overall winner and for the club placings at the end of the day.

If I was in modified, I'd be cheering!!

maybe its as simple as reducing the scaling applied to open and outlaw classes. Or maybe you add bonus points which would give the bigger trucks some opportunities to get some extra points so they can end up with similar points to modified at the end of the day.

As I said - a team of modified cars will most likely get a much higher score at the end of the day and fair up better than a team or open or outlaw trucks. This is what I think, is a little unfair.

As for the events which are shared, I would imagine that where the event is shared that the track is not very challending - otherwise the standard car is disadvantaged. With this in mind - maybe we could scrap the scaling. Perhaps try this out and see what people think. The current scoring has been in place for probably 15 years now - perhaps a change could be a good facelift.

[thunder]

I still reckon the scoring needs to be review. The modified cars always end up with more points than the open and outlaw.

For individual drivers this is not a problem.

The problem is for overall winner and for the club placings at the end of the day.

If I was in modified, I'd be cheering!!

maybe its as simple as reducing the scaling applied to open and outlaw classes. Or maybe you add bonus points which would give the bigger trucks some opportunities to get some extra points so they can end up with similar points to modified at the end of the day.

As I said - a team of modified cars will most likely get a much higher score at the end of the day and fair up better than a team or open or outlaw trucks. This is what I think, is a little unfair.

As for the events which are shared, I would imagine that where the event is shared that the track is not very challending - otherwise the standard car is disadvantaged. With this in mind - maybe we could scrap the scaling. Perhaps try this out and see what people think. The current scoring has been in place for probably 15 years now - perhaps a change could be a good facelift.

what could fix this is modified are now to drive on the open track ..
I dont believe in overall winner.if this was out then there may not be a need for handicap percentage.

Oh and whats the chance of all 4 cars from the club on 1 track straight after another..we at BONG BONG 4WD dont care about advantage or disadvantage if the track changes thru out the day.it will even up over the weekend.it would be great to see our team mates drive the events.

[andrew e]

Might be a bit early, but does anyone have a spare spot? Missed out last year. I'll join your club if needed. My car will be in outlaw class..........

Andy

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

Might be a bit early, but does anyone have a spare spot? Missed out last year. I'll join your club if needed. My car will be in outlaw class..........

Andy

do you bring your own stickers?
we are looking into entering and scraping up cars.
PM ya.

[Ice]

Might be a bit early, but does anyone have a spare spot? Missed out last year. I'll join your club if needed. My car will be in outlaw class..........

Andy

do you bring your own stickers?
we are looking into entering and scraping up cars.
PM ya.

You need to fix your junk first

[bucketofbolts]

when is opening date and when will the forms be ready,

cheers ray

[ozy1]

Any more updates on Trials Wendy? Are all the Tracks sorted?

getting closer by the week, cant wait,

[brighty]

More info for everyone plz Wendy PM sent

Hope all is going well onsite with the tracks!!!!

[bucketofbolts]

what date are the forms looking at being available,

cheers ray

[super jeep]

what date are the forms looking at being available,

cheers ray

x2

[thunder]

Heard a whisper that the tyre size has gone up for the classes..
is this true????

[Miss Wendy]

Hi Wendy.

Just wondering on the scoring. Can you review the scaling system for scoring, now that there generally are different tracks for the different classes, hence negating the need for scaling of those tracks. I agree, that where the track is a common track, then scaling should occur, eg mudrats revenge, but for many of the others, there are different lines at the harder sections which means that those in the more modified classes tend to get penalised twice for being in that class.

1. Penalty for being in a higher class and
2. Having the more difficult track to drive.


What do you think? This would also help the higher classes stack up better in the overall placings, which always seem to be taken out by someone in the modified class. This will also be important for overall team placings especially for clubs that have a team of open/outlaw trucks in comparison to clubs that enter a team of all modified class trucks.

Thanks

CA

SCRAPE the 1st place overall.and then have 1,2,and 3rd for each class and no handicaps..these percentages you get always help only the modified class win overall.(im in modified)

Have just some information from the Trials committee via phone. (I could not attend). So Thunder/ Cyril..looks like you may well have got your wish. Talk is of dropping the overall place and the weightings that decide this and just running classes. Perhaps announcing overall with a small trophy only.
And the likelyhood is you will be allowed to run in club teams. Now years ago teams use to go hide in the bushes untill the tracks got easier. And so there will be rules attached with running in teams. Like limited time delays for turning up at events. One breaks something then the hole team is held up, again only for a limited time frame then deemed no shows. In event of a long recovery the whole team will be forwarded onto the next event or held at the event until thier team mate is recovered. How's that sound?

[Miss Wendy]

Heard a whisper that the tyre size has gone up for the classes..
is this true????

No whisper. Tyre sizes have really just been rectified to what they really are. Std is still 33", Mod is up to 37" and Open to 39". Outlaw remains at huumungus or 54's.

You should see the forms being available this week and the Rules and Regs are in their final cut hopefully not too long after.

[CanberraMav]

So you mean what the tyre says on the sidewall is what you go by or what it measures to be?

Running in teams will be great.

[Miss Wendy]

Pretty much is the metric thing. The tyre measuring thingo will still be used.