Outer Limits 4x4 Board

not happy went out to the warners bay quary on sunday followed andy in his beasty patrol now with 37s. my cousin with a $2000 asia rocsta that he just bought and me with my piece of crap hilux. after 20 min of sliding uncontrolably in the clay we decided to head into the bush behind the shcool that way. As we re travelling up a long clay slope, i go over a contour bank and what happens? my far kin front diff some how manages to twist and smashes the left cv joint and the axle somehow jams my suspension compressed on that side (wtf m8) what the hell 4x4 is a hilux. so now i have the joy of fixing it yay there goes my lift and 35s idea.

not to state the obvious but something must have come loose for it to twist like that.
you must have very flexy leaves in the front or something?

Some picys or description of mod work done prior would help us decide if the Hilux or the mods (if any?????) are crap!

oh yeah i forgot to mention its ifs front 00 mod no mods as yet im fixing it then selling it for sfa. i learnt the hard way

i have nt got any pics yet

jordan wrote:oh yeah i forgot to mention its ifs front 00 mod no mods as yet im fixing it then selling it for sfa. i learnt the hard way

learnt what the hard way?? that shit happens even to the best setup 4x4's? just cause something breaks, doesnt means its the vehicles fault. when was the last time you checked over your truck to make sure it was all fine? it may well have been a problem that has been waiting to jump up for some time that you could have picked up ages ago...

The IFS diff is a relatively weak diff. It is prone to internal damage as well as snapping axles.

This is most common when driving too hard in hard core conditions, like when your stuck, reverse back and hammer it and bounce over the terrain in an attempt to get there.

When a front wheel lifts and it spins while your accelerating and you have tread on a tyre, as the tyre hits the ground/rocks it again grips with the weight of the front and BANG, something has to give! Either the diff gears, an axle or a CV will shatter.

I have heard of this about 1 hundred times now

Start SASing it if you want a bit more life from the front...

Do yourself a favour fit an autolocker to the front and learn how to drive obstacles instead of flooring it over them and your rig will do fine. I have followed plenty of bigger rigs in mine when it was IFS without drama. To me it sounds more like a case of inexperience than a crap vehicle. Although if you sell it and buy a Patrol at least its another tool out of a Toyota

booflux wrote:Although if you sell it and buy a Patrol at least its another tool out of a Toyota

Sic Lux wrote:

booflux wrote:Although if you sell it and buy a Patrol at least its another tool out of a Toyota

too right!

yeh dead set. As they say, shit tradesman always blames his tools.. now the shit driver blames his truck. Grow up m8, fix it. There is nothing wrong with a lux.

What tires are you running on clay?

U say the diff twisted causing a CV to break? The diff cant physically twist unless it is missing the 3 bolts the hold it to the chassis. What parts actually broke on the truck? If it is a CV stub axle then its just wat happens when u go offroading and push ur truck, hopping on the spot with ur boot into it will pop a crownwheel more or less on demand everytime. Normally the 7.5" diff breaks b4 the Cv's on the IFS tho. I cant c how the Cv cud cause ur left side suspension to remain compressed tho as ride height is dictated by the torsionbars.

U will hav to teach urself how to change these broken items as if u plan to go to biglift and 35's and try the harder tracks u r gona break stuff reguardless of wat vehicle it is.

a1 mech was on the money. i pulled the diff out restraightened the brackets, replaced the left cv found that there was a bolt that was missing. not exactly in that order. which is now inplace so the whole ordeal cost my $150 and gave me a little more mechanical experience. And those others saying i was driving it too hard i was driving over a dirt speed bump practically, at around 15kmh you do know what a contour bank is dont you? . and im running your standard 31 desert dualers untill i lift and put 35s on and later a locker. Anyway its all good now thanks for the critisism

It's just gunna keep on breaking and then.......keep on breaking.

Reckon if you want to use your 35's swap axle's or swap truck's.

Ther is no reason for it to keep breaking unless u drive like u stole it. Ther r plenty of people out ther running 35's with the IFS doing sum pretty serious tracks, the front diff improves greatly with a locker as it to an extent stops the spot hopping on tracks that is the most common cause of breakages. Everyone gives the IFS a bad wrap including myself in sum reguards but setup properly it will go just about everywhere a solid axle vehicle will go. A Solid axle swap is a good improvement also and im undertaking one now on my IFS 4runner.

jordan wrote:a1 mech was on the money. there was a bolt that was missing. not exactly in that order.

So now it's not a piece of S*** Hilux, it's now Piece of S*** Maintenance

jordan wrote:my far kin front diff some how manages to twist and smashes the left cv joint and the axle somehow jams my suspension

Anyway, I would have been right on the money if you said that the diff rotated or dislocated. Twist in my books equals bent!.

Mate don't let anyone fool you , there's a reason they are all doing SAS it's because I,F,S is poo plain and simple.

The hilux in the picture above has now had $15,000 spent on it, it started with a small lift 33'' tyre's and some bar work, on the first trip out we broke c,v, fair enough we got it fixed plus had a kit that lines up the cv's put in because when you lift them cv angle increase's and they become weak.

Next trip we bent the steering knuckle plus idle arm so back to the shop and got new knuckle and they made some bomb proof arm's that take the coil over's and reinforced it to the steering knuckle also gave it another inch or so in hieght.

The next trip we gave up, after all the work and the truck was looking great it still was'nt worth a pinch of sh!t, we could'nt even look at the decent track's.

Like i said before if you want to use the 35'' tyre's and if you are even considering following people with patrol axle's and 37'' tyre's your gunna need SOLID AXLE at least, with locker's and if you put locker's into a hilux solid axle your prob going to need some longfield's.

Just trying to help before you waste a heap of money and end up wishing you'd built something heaps better for the same price.

go the luxi wrote:Mate don't let anyone fool you , there's a reason they are all doing SAS it's because I,F,S is poo plain and simple.

The hilux in the picture above has now had $15,000 spent on it, it started with a small lift 33'' tyre's and some bar work, on the first trip out we broke c,v, fair enough we got it fixed plus had a kit that lines up the cv's put in because when you lift them cv angle increase's and they become weak.

Next trip we bent the steering knuckle plus idle arm so back to the shop and got new knuckle and they made some bomb proof arm's that take the coil over's and reinforced it to the steering knuckle also gave it another inch or so in hieght.

The next trip we gave up, after all the work and the truck was looking great it still was'nt worth a pinch of sh!t, we could'nt even look at the decent track's.

Like i said before if you want to use the 35'' tyre's and if you are even considering following people with patrol axle's and 37'' tyre's your gunna need SOLID AXLE at least, with locker's and if you put locker's into a hilux solid axle your prob going to need some longfield's.

Just trying to help before you waste a heap of money and end up wishing you'd built something heaps better for the same price.

What a crock of shit its pointless worthless crap like this that makes me wish I kept mine IFS. I have followed Patrols with X-Links and 38s down tracks that my "crappy" IFS handled fine with no breakages. The day was halted when the Patrol ripped its shock mounts clean off the chassis. The reason I went a sas was simple the IFS was getting into dangerous leans and starting to promote a rollover on the tracks I was doing.

As for cost all I did to the IFS was a $500 lokka and some decent shocks a hell of a lot cheaper than the air locker and longfields I have had to put into the solid axle to make it strong enough. Its a progression to mod your truck after 6 years of wheeling an IFS 5 of those with a front locker and couple with dual lockers I wanted to go up a level and attempt even harder tracks. It never had anything to do with the IFS being weak or a waste of money.

Also finally an IFS is so better as a daily driver than a solid will ever be unless your truck is a trail rig only then imo your mad to do a sas.

IMO, SAS is not the be-all and end-all of 4wd-ing. Yes it has definate advantages over IFS, but IFS has some advantages also, like better on road handling if you're going to use it as a daily driver.

And as far as IFS being as weak as poo, then what is the actual strength of POO? I've never played with a POO, so I'm not entirely sure..

If you drive an IFS lux sensibly, know the vehicle and it's limitations, and a few careful mods like good tyre selection and a couple of lockers, and you are not as unstoppable as many like to think.

And for any 4wd, if you don't maintain it, then you can expect it to shit itself every time, regardless of its size or configuration.

thanks for the replys. i think im going to stick with it as it is a daily driver and i need a tray and 4 seats so its very practical for ME how ever i ve decided im not going 35s i will go a gd set of 33s a little lift and the locker as planed. and just try my best not t keep breaking things. ill just have to take a few chicken tracks hear and there maybe. . ive only had it for 4 weeks anyway and it has done 220k kms so may just need a lil looking at t see what else maybe close t breaking point. cheers

one other question can you change the rear brakes from drum too disc brakes is there a kit or something?

Ther is kits but most in oz r expensive and most yank kits use chevy or american car parts which wud be a pain to get pads for. It will most likely hav to be custom to a degree wateva u do, U cud get fab a 95 series prado rear axle housing to go under the rear, either run it with leaf or 5link coil, it is about 4" wider tho so u will need to mod the front. Im thinking of doin sumthin along this line in the future.