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basically i want to build a comp rig to have some fun in.

my original idea was to get a GQ and build it up as it has been done before and there is plenty of info out there to help me with.

but my other option is to build up the pajero into something and be different.

im thinking that the money i would have spent buying a GQ i could spend on SAS on the paj.


but also i need to consider auto or manual? the paj has a manual in it already but the engine needs to be fixed (busted timing belt, bent valves etc..) so do i pull out the turbo diesel and put a commo v6 and auto in it? or something else? or just fix the engine already in it and put an auto behind it?
rego is also a concern, if i did an engine swap then it would be harder to rerego it etc...


any ideas/suggestions?

paj already has 5.29s and rear locker. (factory)

or do i do patrol diffs front and rear or something??

GQ is always going to easier and usually cheaper as there more spares out in the second hand market.

Paj would be cool but what it will cost you do something different will most likely get you a really capable well set up GQ.

GQ will be easier to rego etc as you don't have any major changes to make it tuff.

This will all depend on what you want to do.

GQ - wagon chopped, efi 4.2, lockers front and rear, internal cage, 83% gears, x link or 5 link 37' or 39' on 4" lift with massive guard chop will work well.

You could do that for less than 10K easy. Purchase price 2k to 5k your sub 15k and you have a very capable rig.

Paj - engine conversion with auto and GQ tranfer, 83% gears lockers front and rear, GQ diffs f & r, Custom Suspension, body chop ?, internal cage.
The paj will cost 6k to 8k to do this if not more and its complete custom.


I have looked at this in depth and the GQ way just comes out easier every time.

Nick

There's a reason everyone builds GQ's into comp rigs, and not many people are "different"

It suxs being different. Every things harder and more expensive. But if your prepared to put up with that, I spose its pretty rewarding too

CWBYUP wrote:
GQ - wagon chopped, efi 4.2, lockers front and rear, internal cage, 83% gears, x link or 5 link 37' or 39' on 4" lift with massive guard chop will work well.

thats what i was originally thinking of doing but maybe a bit bigger.

but the biggest advantage is i already own the paj.

CWBYUP wrote:

I have looked at this in depth and the GQ way just comes out easier every time.

how much easier tho? i dont mind doing a little bit of work but i do get lazy sometimes thats why i was thinking GQ. i already have the GU and am happy with it, except for the fat body on it that i dont want to damage. so with a GQ i wouldnt be worried about panels at all

I say go the paj. You cant put a price on (relative) originality. If you go a commonwhore V6, or the much better IUZ-FE, and GQ diffs then its not like you will have too many difficulties with parts anyway. The only real one-off parts are likely to be in your suspension bracketry and possibly engine mounts which are easily remade in the unlikely event they do break.

If you sell off the un-needed bits off your paj I imagine you will recoup a fair bit of cost anyway. The money from a rear locked diff and a t-diesel motor will more than likely see patrol diffs under your car provided you do the majority of the work.

A Gq may well end up cheaper but as soon as you see another paj with the work done to it that you wanted to do, you will kick yourself for not spending the extra 1 or 2 thousand. JMO.

honestly gonna be up front and say you would be wasting ya time with doing the pajero that way as not many in australia done up like big well dont no of any except that tuff truck 1!
means got to make everything and no aftermarket parts available where as pootrols are everywhere and parts everywhere!
as much as i like different cars and hate nissans i would say got a pootrol!

do the paj there are quite a few around now with sas way cooler i reckon. I can tellyou that a couple have been done with danas and it seems to work really well. As soon as funds allow I will be doing mine.

cheers eddy.

v840 wrote:I say go the paj. You cant put a price on (relative) originality.

This comes down to what is more important, Being Original of being competitive ?

there are a few j-tops with SAS around but none in Australia that i know off..
there probably is somewhere but.

CWBYUP wrote:

v840 wrote:I say go the paj. You cant put a price on (relative) originality.

This comes down to what is more important, Being Original of being competitive ?

id want something in between. prefer more competitive but being different is good too.

ATM im 51/49 in favor of the paj.

j-top paj wrote: how much easier tho? i dont mind doing a little bit of work but i do get lazy sometimes thats why i was thinking GQ. i already have the GU and am happy with it, except for the fat body on it that i dont want to damage. so with a GQ i wouldnt be worried about panels at all

Have a look at the Zook / GQ from TT08, Came 8th and owes him 12k

The biggest thing for me is the fact that its already coiled and you can go from there.

Once you get to the stage you want to go bigger you can just coilover it and its only getting better.

the GQ chassis is strong so you don't have to brace it up.

Biggest problem with a Paj SAS is getting a left side front diff. Can you find a transfer to put behind a T700 to give you a driver's side front diff, so you can go a stock Toyota front axle?

GQ stuff is undoubtedly tough, but it's also pretty heavy - is there a benefit in light vehicle/light components?

-Scott- wrote:Biggest problem with a Paj SAS is getting a left side front diff. Can you find a transfer to put behind a T700 to give you a driver's side front diff, so you can go a stock Toyota front axle?

GQ stuff is undoubtedly tough, but it's also pretty heavy - is there a benefit in light vehicle/light components?

huge benefit in going light weight.

If i was going custom stuff, i'd use toyota front axles. Longfields are stronger than nissan crap.

What sort of comps.

For ease of cheap, used, or easily found parts off the shelf, Sierra, MQ/GQ or 40/60/80 would be top of list.

How are lockers to get for Paj's?

-Scott- wrote: GQ stuff is undoubtedly tough, but it's also pretty heavy - is there a benefit in light vehicle/light components?

The weight of the axles is all down low. It would benefit stability rather than be a detriment IMO. It would still be lighter than a GQ wagon.


As for not being competitive, Do you really think a paj with GQ diffs with a well designed 3 or 4link rear and 3 +p/hard front will be less competitive than a GQ with 5-link rear and radius arm front?
I dont think so but hey, thats me.

Toys with longs would be a great option but you're starting to get expensive.

j-top paj wrote: ATM im 51/49 in favor of the paj.

The biggest thing for me was motor swap.

Do that and it outlaw for all comps.

EFI GQ can be made to suit so many more comps that a paj with a V6 in it and most importantly the GQ will be more competitive in the class you need build it to suit.

Give me a call if you want to chat, I think you still have number ?

Nick

bad_religion_au wrote: If i was going custom stuff, i'd use toyota front axles. Longfields are stronger than nissan crap.

Longfields are stronger than SoCals ?

Nick

v840 wrote: As for not being competitive, Do you really think a paj with GQ diffs with a well designed 3 or 4link rear and 3 +p/hard front will be less competitive than a GQ with 5-link rear and radius arm front?
I dont think so but hey, thats me.

No a well designed Paj with GQ diffs will give better flex but will also cost alot more than std GQ and ex link which will give close the needed flex.

This is all useless though unless we know what sort of comps Mat wants to do.

Nick

CWBYUP wrote:This is all useless though unless we know what sort of comps Mat wants to do.

Nick

Werd.

Pajeros have pretty good forward vision { seating position, view over the bonnet } which must be a bonus in comp. What about using a Paj V6 to T700 to hilux or patrol tranfer. Can you build a descent aproach angle into the Paj. Road regoed still?, what sort of comp?, fuul body or ute chop?

bogged wrote:What sort of comps.

For ease of cheap, used, or easily found parts off the shelf, Sierra, MQ/GQ or 40/60/80 would be top of list.

How are lockers to get for Paj's?

just willowglen, woodpecker, trials etc...

although i have also been thinking about the more higher speed comps etc.. too,

i had a sierra and had some fun in it but when i started pricing things for it to get it where id want it it worked out cheaper to start with a GQ

CWBYUP wrote:

j-top paj wrote: ATM im 51/49 in favor of the paj.

The biggest thing for me was motor swap.

probably best to just stick with the turbo diesel and put an auto behind it

steel wrote: Can you build a descent aproach angle into the Paj. Road regoed still?,

as it sits now with the IFS still in it, its fairly good approach angle. but with SAS i would move it forward more (coils not leaves) and it would have 90degree approach

high speed comps are when you really want to start concertrating on keeping the weight down, unsprung weight aswell.

go the paj! theres GQs all over the place, so a paj will make a nice change. and if thought out well and then built well, it will be just as competative as ANY other rig out there. going custom in terms of suspension gives you lots more options than standard. and as said b4, it will only realy be brackets and engine mounts that will need to be fabbed up, everything else should be easy enuf to come by in the event of a breakage.



GO THE PAJ! SHOW EM WHAT IT CAN DO!!!

steel wrote: full body or ute chop?

its a j-top (convertable)
so theres no heavy roof to worry about. the only extra weight added would be either an EXO or internal

a sedan would be best

...now who's car is this?...

its a serious question dude,

and i have seen those pics before somewhere... maybe in gen shit chat somewhere