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Hey am starting to organise my easter road trip and have decided to go and purchase a good recovery set. I am wondering where, what to get and what prices should I be looking at to get a good recovery set for sand driving over at Stradbroke Island.

Also what minimum tyre pressure can I run with factory tyres and rims on the feroza while I am sand driving.

I got my 2" suspension lift done and in three weeks I will have enough money to get a ram pod filter and exhaust with extractors. I cant wait After that new rims and tyres

Hey am starting to organise my easter road trip and have decided to go and purchase a good recovery set. I am wondering where, what to get and what prices should I be looking at to get a good recovery set for sand driving over at Stradbroke Island.

Also what minimum tyre pressure can I run with factory tyres and rims on the feroza while I am sand driving.

I got my 2" suspension lift done and in three weeks I will have enough money to get a ram pod filter and exhaust with extractors. I cant wait After that new rims and tyres

Run your tyres @ 15psi and the feroza will eat it Only time I've got stuck in sand is fuggin around in 2wd Make sure you get a good tyre gauge too

newbyferoza wrote:Hey am starting to organise my easter road trip and have decided to go and purchase a good recovery set. I am wondering where, what to get and what prices should I be looking at to get a good recovery set for sand driving over at Stradbroke Island.

Also what minimum tyre pressure can I run with factory tyres and rims on the feroza while I am sand driving.

I got my 2" suspension lift done and in three weeks I will have enough money to get a ram pod filter and exhaust with extractors. I cant wait After that new rims and tyres

what is your location?

if your based in sydney/central coast i scan help you with great prices on black rat recover kits.

pm ya numbers if your in this area.

Luke

newbyferoza wrote:Hey am starting to organise my easter road trip and have decided to go and purchase a good recovery set. I am wondering where, what to get and what prices should I be looking at to get a good recovery set for sand driving over at Stradbroke Island.

1) Snatch Strap, 2x rated shackles, and a blanket... Go to ARB/TJM/etc and get a kit. Easy......
2) Shovel....... not a little one...... a SHOVEL.
3) A good tyre pressure gauge.

newbyferoza wrote:Also what minimum tyre pressure can I run with factory tyres and rims on the feroza while I am sand driving.

15 - 20 PSI would get you around on north straddie.....

newbyferoza wrote:I got my 2" suspension lift done and in three weeks I will have enough money to get a ram pod filter and exhaust with extractors. I cant wait After that new rims and tyres

Congrats.... you will love it after that. PS... get muddies. The little cars do really well with them. On bush / rock, down to 10-12 PSI and your right.

muddies are best for sand.... now hear me out here... dont get WIDE ones! save yourself money and misery since wide muddies dont do too well in mud... thats ok though cuz i learned something in my outing on sand dunes.... i have muddies myself.... its a 30.... and it does awesome... only thing you need to do is make sure your tires have a very strong tirewall construction cuz your gonna be runnin on em! i had my tires deflated down to 8 psi! just make sure you have enough lift to clear out the tires cuz they bowl out big time.. which is ideal for sand anyways.... but i busted up both of my fenders on that small detail... have fun, you'll have a blast.... and remember, you dont got much power... but that sucker has torque! rev the hell out of that engine, she'll dish it!

cable jockey I live in Brisbane, I might go down to redlands 4x4 tomorow, has anyone dealt with these guys before and do they offer good advice

I bought a Blackrat recovery kit late last year (because I had nothing ). It's got a 9m snatch strap, two ADR compliant bow shackles, leather gloves and all comes in a heavy duty carry bag. It cost $89 from memory.

I also received a folding Bushranger shovel for Xmas- yes, it's small and doesn't have a long handle....... but where the hell do you fit a full size shovel in a Feroza!? It's certainly better than nothing.

I've also got a Bushranger Maxair compressor, they cost a bit but pump up the tyres in no time. Digital tyre pressure guages are available from places like Dick Smith and Jaycar and give accurate readings at low pressure. Big W sell a snazzy Michelin digital tyre guage complete with carry case for around $44 too.

newbyferoza wrote:cable jockey I live in Brisbane, I might go down to redlands 4x4 tomorow, has anyone dealt with these guys before and do they offer good advice

Peter is very knowledgable in the recovery department, his ADF training means he is very qualified to offer advice. Prices are great also, and can easliy handle the type of mods you are looking at for the Feroza.

SimplyPV wrote:muddies are best for sand.... now hear me out here... dont get WIDE ones! save yourself money and misery since wide muddies dont do too well in mud... thats ok though cuz i learned something in my outing on sand dunes.... i have muddies myself.... its a 30.... and it does awesome... only thing you need to do is make sure your tires have a very strong tirewall construction cuz your gonna be runnin on em! i had my tires deflated down to 8 psi! just make sure you have enough lift to clear out the tires cuz they bowl out big time.. which is ideal for sand anyways.... but i busted up both of my fenders on that small detail... have fun, you'll have a blast.... and remember, you dont got much power... but that sucker has torque! rev the hell out of that engine, she'll dish it!

I disagree with you about mud tyres being best for sand. An all terrain or highway tyre is better for sand as they wont dig into the sand like a mud tyre.
I had my little beast on the beach just over a year ago and I had my 29 inches muddies on. If I was 2 do it again I'd run my standard all terrain tyres. The feroza struggled in a few areas towing a loaded trailer where I believe if I had the standard tyres it would've done it alot easier.
I ran 15 psi in the feroza until it got bogged so I let them down to 12-13 psi
Had 2 put the trailer onto another rig so the feroza could get through

rocknferoza wrote:

SimplyPV wrote:muddies are best for sand.... now hear me out here... dont get WIDE ones! save yourself money and misery since wide muddies dont do too well in mud... thats ok though cuz i learned something in my outing on sand dunes.... i have muddies myself.... its a 30.... and it does awesome... only thing you need to do is make sure your tires have a very strong tirewall construction cuz your gonna be runnin on em! i had my tires deflated down to 8 psi! just make sure you have enough lift to clear out the tires cuz they bowl out big time.. which is ideal for sand anyways.... but i busted up both of my fenders on that small detail... have fun, you'll have a blast.... and remember, you dont got much power... but that sucker has torque! rev the hell out of that engine, she'll dish it!

I disagree with you about mud tyres being best for sand. An all terrain or highway tyre is better for sand as they wont dig into the sand like a mud tyre.
I had my little beast on the beach just over a year ago and I had my 29 inches muddies on. If I was 2 do it again I'd run my standard all terrain tyres. The feroza struggled in a few areas towing a loaded trailer where I believe if I had the standard tyres it would've done it alot easier.
I ran 15 psi in the feroza until it got bogged so I let them down to 12-13 psi
Had 2 put the trailer onto another rig so the feroza could get through

I thought it was strange suggesting mud tyres for sand too

fellas... how wide were your tires? currently have 235/75(30)-r15 for my roza... not sure how wide that is for a 30 itself... but like i said, i ran those tires on 7-8 psi and it did wonderful. whenever i started to get bogged down, i shifted to 4low and she handled it just fine. the year before, i had ran ats and i felt that the mud tires did soo much better. just my personal opinion anyways. the mud tires provide the bite needed BUT if you run em low enough, you also get the bowling/floatation of the tires as well.... worked a treat for me. until i bent my fenders due to not having enough clearence with the tires down to 7-8 psi....

I've got the same size tyre but I think you'll find there actualy 29 inch not 30.
I wouldn't run my tyres at 7-8 psi, you run the risk of popping the tyre off the rim. I believe 12 psi is a good pressure for sand driving.

Just my 2 cents worth

As everyone seems to be adding their 2c worth......

Once upon a time in a land far far away (when my car was standard) there lived a person that would take regular trips onto the beach sands in SA.
Robe was particularly good and I found the best pressures to run at was 15 psi.
If I was bogged, I would throw it in 4L and drive it....or if I was really bogged (it happened when I forgot to lock the hubs in, and 4L didn't get me out) I aired down to 10 psi and ....out she drove....like she wasn't even bogged.

That's the beauty of the lightweight vehicle on the sand !!

i personally found that running my tires on 7-8 psi was the best for me, running not on just flatland, but also doing steep hill climbs, jumping dunes. etc etc. jus MY 2 cents worth....

I whould sugest you get some bead locks if you run your tyres at 7 psi. It is mad to jump dunes wit under inflated tyres. I drop my pressure to 12 psi when doing steep klimbs and shit like that. I have done it in 25psi and it just means booting it a bit more make some dust. I have stoped swaping the tyres for normal driving in stone and sand. I run cooper AT 205/15 and onley get problems in the mud so If its gona be mudy I swap to the 30/9.5 cooper ATT and it almost floats on mud. Also your side walls will get wrecked driving such low pressures its like bending a piece of wire at thr same place over and over in the begining it is fine and then it snaps same with the wall. Pros run down to 5PSI they use beadlocks and have tyre sponsers.

running your tyres that low for extended periods or at any speed over crawling pace (like dune launching speed) will severly shorten life span. The heat buildup in them as the side wall is forced to flex and bend will be massive and cause damage and premature failure. and at 7 to 8 psi you could pop the bead of them so easy. If they are steel belf radials try this to get an idea heat build up in metal as it bends. get a fairly small diamiter(10mm) steel rod. lock one end in a vice and bend it forward and back till it breaks ( give it heaps). then feel the heat in it at the break site. your tyre's steel belts experience this at a much greater frequency. Not good for tyres. Have seen a few tyres fail cause of this, not good.

And my 2c worth....

Get some 31x10.5x15 All Terrains... run them at 18 in any off road situation.

It's like being on a hovercraft!!!

Have been at Stockton Beach a few times and not once have I got myself bogged to the point of not driving out....

hmmm.... thanks guys, didnt realise the long term possible damage to tires for running them that low. will go ahead and run them at a bit higher psi..... around 12-15 then?

Interesting to note that the lastest edition of 4wd monthly suggests the best tyres for sand driving are MUD tyres. This doesnt ring true in my mind, as flotation is whats needed in sand, not necessisarily traction. I would have thought the best tyres for sand/beach work are nearly bald wide highway treads, or better still something like an aircraft tyre, no cross tyre tread, just radial grooves. Something like this.
My 2c worth.

BundyRumandCoke wrote:Interesting to note that the lastest edition of 4wd monthly suggests the best tyres for sand driving are MUD tyres. This doesnt ring true in my mind, as flotation is whats needed in sand, not necessisarily traction. I would have thought the best tyres for sand/beach work are nearly bald wide highway treads, or better still something like an aircraft tyre, no cross tyre tread, just radial grooves. Something like this.
My 2c worth.

I noticed that 2.
Maybe someone should write a letter 2 them stating that highway tyres are better for sand.
If u look at the cooper tyre add there highway tyres are rated at 90% road and sand

hmmm... what purpose would those groves be set for? no bite.. no nothing.... you do need to have a little bite to your tire along with floatation i would think...