Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Gday guys, Im new to the 4WD world, Im looking for some decent recovery gear, My farther and I are looking at getting the Iron Man Recovery Kit, as seen hear http://www.ironmansuspension.com/accessorieskits.html
What are your thoughts?
Also could someone please give me an idea on a what type of winch?

Many Thanks Tristo and Phil

That pack looks good for your standard gear to get you out of trouble.

Just make sure the recovery points on your vehicle are good enough, or it's not point having good gear!

Warn winches are the best, but come for a higher price.
There are a few threads on chinese and ironman winches at the moment and also the one that Tigerz11 sells through ebay or his online site.

Just go and drive it, but take a mate along to snatch you out... You'll be right!

best things to start off your adventours with is a snatch strap, bow shackles, a shovel and a mate. and work from there. have a look at a few local shops as theres a few kits around, from memory theres two shops out your side of geelong. cant remember address's

There is Rally Off Road (KJ's), arb store, geelong 4wd i know where most of them are located.... spent many hours in them wishing, also Ive been told it would be a good idea to get good recovery points and such, what would be the best for this and what am i looking at in time for fitment?

Thanks guys

Tristo

i have rated recovery hooks that bolt onto the chassis in factory locations for them. it all depends on how much money you want to spend, but then again, theres also the safety aspect, and you dont want to be going the cheapest option. there is also tjm behind the carwash on melb road across from ford plant, last time i looked it was there.

is your 4wd fitted with a hayman reece style towbar? as i know people remove the towbar and stick the snatch strap in it with the pin in. its best to look around and see whats available.

Before I got a winch I would get a hi-lift jack. Can be used for all sorts of purposes and also as a hand winch. Slow, and requires a bit of effort, but it can get you out of a lot of trouble. David

David_S wrote:Before I got a winch I would get a hi-lift jack. Can be used for all sorts of purposes and also as a hand winch. Slow, and requires a bit of effort, but it can get you out of a lot of trouble. David

x2 i was going to get a hand winch but the hi lift can do so much more

over land 4x4 wrote:

David_S wrote:Before I got a winch I would get a hi-lift jack. Can be used for all sorts of purposes and also as a hand winch. Slow, and requires a bit of effort, but it can get you out of a lot of trouble. David

x2 i was going to get a hand winch but the hi lift can do so much more

Thanks boys, all been very helpful

over land 4x4 wrote:

David_S wrote:Before I got a winch I would get a hi-lift jack. Can be used for all sorts of purposes and also as a hand winch. Slow, and requires a bit of effort, but it can get you out of a lot of trouble. David

x2 i was going to get a hand winch but the hi lift can do so much more

Have you ever winched with a hi lift? take you 1/2 a day to move anywhere.

bogged wrote:

over land 4x4 wrote:

David_S wrote:Before I got a winch I would get a hi-lift jack. Can be used for all sorts of purposes and also as a hand winch. Slow, and requires a bit of effort, but it can get you out of a lot of trouble. David

x2 i was going to get a hand winch but the hi lift can do so much more

Have you ever winched with a hi lift? take you 1/2 a day to move anywhere.

even winched with nothing? takes even longer than with a hi-lift. its better than nothing and it does work

macca81 wrote:

bogged wrote:

over land 4x4 wrote:

David_S wrote:Before I got a winch I would get a hi-lift jack. Can be used for all sorts of purposes and also as a hand winch. Slow, and requires a bit of effort, but it can get you out of a lot of trouble. David

x2 i was going to get a hand winch but the hi lift can do so much more

Have you ever winched with a hi lift? take you 1/2 a day to move anywhere.

even winched with nothing? takes even longer than with a hi-lift. its better than nothing and it does work

X2

With a Hi-Lift, you can lift one wheel out of the bog hole, or one end out of the bog hole, you can lift the wheel or entire end of the car high enough to pack rocks or logs in underneath the wheels, or you can just lift it high enough so that you can push the car sideways and jump the back or front of the car 3 or so feet onto firmer land! You only need a good spot for jacking on! You can even turn the car in it's own length if you try hard enough by jumping one end one way then the other end the other way!

High lift jacks, IMHO, are far too bulky, heavy and dangerous to use. Especially to someone new to 4WDing.

The Ironman recovery kit is a great value for money kit and all of their gear has been tested and approved
Their winches are also very good, but you probably could pick up a hand winch at a good price.

Best advice to a newby is to join a club, get some driver training, and use their knowledge base to what works and what doesn't so that only buy once.

Johnno.

IMO a suitably sized hand winch is a good first step past a standard recovery kit and has the advantage of being able to be used in any direction and pull and lower the vehicle if required.

Yes its slow but it doesn't run out of battery, works with a dead engine and provides the operator with free exercise

Even if you get a vehicle mounted winch later on, the hand winch is still a very valuable piece of recovery gear - I still carry one, just in case.

macca81 wrote:even winched with nothing? takes even longer than with a hi-lift.

wait for a snatch then...

its better than nothing and it does work

how long would it take you to move this considering you only move a foot or 2 at a time, then stopping it sliding back where it started.


we had it demoed at driver training yrs back, yes it works - barely, but it isnt as viable as people expect.

.. for the same money you can get a used handwinch that would actually be of use and not a bling accessory..

So a hand winch and a exhaust bag would be a better option?

I don't' know of any one who uses the exhaust bags.
Might be good in sand though.

saw a photo the other day seemed to make sense, it was about the only other time i could think that an exhuast jack would be good other than maybe in sand.

there was a 100 series stuck in a shallow creek maybe 350mm deep but the diffs had hung up on god know what, it was a clean running creek, sand based and they were using the exhaust jack in the water to lift the car up off whatever it was hung up on.

my recovery gear consists of a 9000lb lowmount winch, 60" highlift, 2 x snatchstraps, 2 x 3t bow shackles, 2 x 4t bow shackles, 2 x snatch blocks, winch extension strap, tree trunk protector, drag chain, riggers gloves, machette, axe, long handled shovel, and yeh other shit that i cant think of. gets me out of trouble. use to carry a handwinch before the days of the electric winch, now dad uses it to lift heavy pots in the backyard and stuff like that.

dean.

I considered buying a exhaust bag thingy a few years back. Fortunately Dragen at All Terrain 4x4 in Moorabbin was good enough to let me try one in the carpark. Wouldn't lift the wheel off the ground due to exhaust leak. I then tried it on his hilux, his exhaust was worse than mine.

Unless your exhaust is in top condition with no leaks they're useless. And which off road 4by fits this criteria?

Snatchy is a must
At least 2x 3.25t SWL rated bow shackles
A shovel (long handled preferably)
A companion
A second vehicle

Then it's handy to have winch extension strap(s)*, sling(s), extra shackles, hi-lift jack, chainsaw, etc.

Next comes hand or mechanical, or both, winch. Accompanied with snatch block(s), additional winch strap(s)*, sling(s), shackle(s), etc.

*A handy item is the winch extension straps made from plasma winch rope as you can run it through a snatch block. i don't have any but wish i did. Also less bulky and float.