Outer Limits 4x4 Board

is this possible?

I would think not. Having plates on doesn't make your car registered, and if you got caught on the road with them you'd get raped.

neil_se wrote:I would think not. Having plates on doesn't make your car registered, and if you got caught on the road with them you'd get raped.

As long as you have your own vaso you'll be right because the sand the cops are gonna use on you will have sand in it.

neil_se wrote:I would think not. Having plates on doesn't make your car registered, and if you got caught on the road with them you'd get raped.

based on what? the car has all the required mod plates.

dealer plates have a fairly strict set of rules that go along with them.

get caught, your car will be parked on the side of the road, unregistered, which means youl need to tow it, and whoevers dealer plate it is will get some questions to answer.

that said, I have heard of some dealer plates getting abused, caught, and nothing comes of it. I think the cops and DOT just cbf with all the paperwork etc that would be inviolved.

i dont plan to drive on the road with it, i already have the plate, a tow truck and simply want to know if there are any comps that would except this as a form of rego.

NICK

NICK wrote:i dont plan to drive on the road with it, i already have the plate, a tow truck and simply want to know if there are any comps that would except this as a form of rego.

NICK

If you dp run over a spectator/marshall, do you think TAC will still come to the party?

(i understand TAC covers injuries sustained on private property involving registered vehicles?)

-Stu

NICK wrote:i dont plan to drive on the road with it, i already have the plate, a tow truck and simply want to know if there are any comps that would except this as a form of rego.

NICK

i dont think so because technically your car isnt registered, it is simply a special permit to drive on the road, much like ringing up DOT and telling them your bringing the car down to get registered (and getting the insurance cover)

dogbreath_48 wrote:

NICK wrote:i dont plan to drive on the road with it, i already have the plate, a tow truck and simply want to know if there are any comps that would except this as a form of rego.

NICK

If you dp run over a spectator/marshall, do you think TAC will still come to the party?

(i understand TAC covers injuries sustained on private property involving registered vehicles?)

-Stu

what about buggies tho?

buggies are un registerable so they come in a special class and therefore attract a higher entry fee to cover the insurance premium

cooki_monsta wrote:buggies are un registerable so they come in a special class and therefore attract a higher entry fee to cover the insurance premium

ahhhhh!

so then you've gopt 0 chance of getting away with a dealer plate then nick as the insurance cover from a dealer plate is expressly for the purpose of the sale of a vehicle and all activites related to it (taking it for repairs, test drive etc).

The insurer would take about 5 seconds to squirm out of any claim made as the plate was not being used as to the terms, and therefore un-insured.

you need to be registered purely for the third party that comes with your rego it seems.

Shadow wrote:

cooki_monsta wrote:buggies are un registerable so they come in a special class and therefore attract a higher entry fee to cover the insurance premium

ahhhhh!

so then you've gopt 0 chance of getting away with a dealer plate then nick as the insurance cover from a dealer plate is expressly for the purpose of the sale of a vehicle and all activites related to it (taking it for repairs, test drive etc).

The insurer would take about 5 seconds to squirm out of any claim made as the plate was not being used as to the terms, and therefore un-insured.

you need to be registered purely for the third party that comes with your rego it seems.

thats the only reason i come up with as to why they wouldnt let you run. however i personally have more public liability insurance cover than you get with your 3rd party anyhow. i am pretty sure i will register the truck, really i was curious to know if comps had, or could be done on a dealer plate and what the outcomes where.

NICK

NICK wrote:is this possible?

I doubt very much any of the comp organisers would accept the vehicle as registered if one showed up to compete with a dealers plate attached.

going by the strict dealer plate rules, there not suposed to be used on weekends, this is whatim lead to belive,,,but im also led to belive our trucks are meant to be redgestered,be in a class up to 37" tyres,with cages ,harneses,& all manner of things that makes em illegal to drive on the road..
if comp organisers were serious about comps, & didnt want to take the easy way out of having rigs redgestered, there would be 3 classes....
# 1 :- TOURING. redgestered rigs, up to 33" tyres,max 3" lift & 2" body,mud flapsflares & off the shelf extras( the sort of off shelf youd get at TJM or ARB)
# 2 :- CHALLENGE. full chassied,& a full cab/body of a recognisable make, basicly what we have now in winch comps but some restrictions,ie tyre size, ect BUT unregoed.
# 3 :- OUTLAW. tube frames, buggies, no tyre ristrictions,engine,suspension, ect basicly anything goes.
If this happened I could understand paying a higher entry fee to be in the unregoed classes,,,just a thaught,or maybe a wish list for santa!!!!!!

Do people honestly believe their 3rd party cover on their rego will cover them in a competition. My understanding is it hasnt been tried and I certainly wouldnt want to be the first

What is the extension that they ask for?

booflux wrote:Do people honestly believe their 3rd party cover on their rego will cover them in a competition. My understanding is it hasnt been tried and I certainly wouldnt want to be the first

when we used to run Rhino trophy thhe competitors were covered by their 3rd party as the event was not based on speed and was held on public roads albeit tracks. So in that case yes it is possible.

booflux wrote:Do people honestly believe their 3rd party cover on their rego will cover them in a competition. My understanding is it hasnt been tried and I certainly wouldnt want to be the first

3rd partywill cover you aslong as you are not doing anything ilegal (so a registered comp) and if the comp is a non speed event

cooki monsta wrote:buggies are un registerable so they come in a special class Smile and therefore attract a higher entry fee to cover the insurance premium

not true, an RV (restricted vehicle) rego will cover buggies. its not required to go over pits, and it cant go on road without an exemption.

Arent most events timed?? How can this then be deemed a non speed event?

the loop hole is that most trials events dont use the time to generate placings, they use the points and go to the time in the event of a tie.

I think you all need to define "Third Party Insurance"

From a property damage perspective no Insurer will pick up the bill if the truck is being used in any competiton.

From the Bodily Injury perspective the CTP (Compulsory Third Party) policy will operate. There is no "racing exclusion" on CTP. This is how all Bash, Safari, OBC trucks are covered for Bodily Injury. Of interest there isn't an "unroadworthy" exclusion in a CTP cover either.

Lastly Insurers can't deny a claim because you did something illegal or broke the law. What did you do when you ran the red light and hit the nice shiny Mercedes; you broke the law BUT they will still repair the Benz.

Those are from a recently retired Insurer. ME.

zuffen wrote:I think you all need to define "Third Party Insurance"

From a property damage perspective no Insurer will pick up the bill if the truck is being used in any competiton.

From the Bodily Injury perspective the CTP (Compulsory Third Party) policy will operate. There is no "racing exclusion" on CTP. This is how all Bash, Safari, OBC trucks are covered for Bodily Injury. Of interest there isn't an "unroadworthy" exclusion in a CTP cover either.

Lastly Insurers can't deny a claim because you did something illegal or broke the law. What did you do when you ran the red light and hit the nice shiny Mercedes; you broke the law BUT they will still repair the Benz.

Those are from a recently retired Insurer. ME.

so if I crash my car whilst driving drunk my insurance will cover me?

80's_delirious wrote:

zuffen wrote:I think you all need to define "Third Party Insurance"

From a property damage perspective no Insurer will pick up the bill if the truck is being used in any competiton.

From the Bodily Injury perspective the CTP (Compulsory Third Party) policy will operate. There is no "racing exclusion" on CTP. This is how all Bash, Safari, OBC trucks are covered for Bodily Injury. Of interest there isn't an "unroadworthy" exclusion in a CTP cover either.

Lastly Insurers can't deny a claim because you did something illegal or broke the law. What did you do when you ran the red light and hit the nice shiny Mercedes; you broke the law BUT they will still repair the Benz.

Those are from a recently retired Insurer. ME.

so if I crash my car whilst driving drunk my insurance will cover me?

compulsary 3rd party insurance will - for any injuries sustained

booflux wrote:Arent most events timed?? How can this then be deemed a non speed event?

a non speed event is often timed, but placing are worked out on a points basis. you get more points for being faster, but you dont necessarily win if you have the fastest time... tuff truck is timed but you gain or lose points depending on things like course outs, navi assisstance, taking diff routes ect yes? and mudbash is a khanacross and motorkhana events based competition, which most things you try and get around courses in the fastest time, but its whoever has the most points that wins it...

CAMS Manual, Section 13, Motorkhana Code wrote: 2. DEFINITIONS – MOTORKHANA
2.1 Motorkhana is defined by NCR 18 as: “A meeting including only events designed to test the acceleration, braking
and general manoeuvrability of the vehicles and the skill and judgement of the crew members. Motorkhanas may be
conducted on a sealed or unsealed surface, and must not be, or include, a speed event. The term ‘motorkhana’ shall
include the terms ‘autokhana’, ‘gymkhana’ and the like.”

or
HERE

80's delerious,

No the policy specifically excludes when you're drunk plus a few other exclusions.

But for most of the time you "break the law" the policy will work.

My advice is read the policy.

If it all looks like goblygook find someone who can read, understand and explain it to you.

You're much better off knowing before you drive your truck what will and what won't be paid for before you start bending it.

I'm not havng a shot at your inteligence but most people don't read their policy as it is written in a way that mortals don't understand.

Interestingly it is written this way because the Govenrment wants it that way. So don't blame the Insurers.

zuffen wrote:80's delerious,

No the policy specifically excludes when you're drunk plus a few other exclusions.

But for most of the time you "break the law" the policy will work.

My advice is read the policy.

If it all looks like goblygook find someone who can read, understand and explain it to you.

You're much better off knowing before you drive your truck what will and what won't be paid for before you start bending it.

I'm not havng a shot at your inteligence but most people don't read their policy as it is written in a way that mortals don't understand.

Interestingly it is written this way because the Govenrment wants it that way. So don't blame the Insurers.

Are you talking about compulsary 3rd party TAC insurance?

Can't you just say you were taking it for a test drive from the dealer

Yes TAC.

Telling the Copper you are on a test drive is like telling your Girlfriend you are only in bed with the other girl to stop her getting lonely!

what about registering it as a tractor?? i could mabie see this work for buggy's, but not so much for full body rig's....