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fitting boost guage to 3l hilux, now with problem - ta guts
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 5:02 pm
by thehanko
HI everyone,
Fitting a boost guage to my ln 106 lux, but not sure where to fit the t piece in to the whole system.
Ive looked at the guide on toyotasurfasn but theirs look different to mine even though i have a ct20 turbo.
Any guides or pictures of where yours are hooked in would be great.
Ive got everything sorted except this rather important bit.
Thanks
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 6:05 pm
by tweak'e
depends what manifold you use. most of the upright manifolds have a stock location for boost comp to connect to. use that location.
if you have stock manifold you may have to tap/weld on one to the inlet pipes somewhere.
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:44 pm
by ausyota
On my old Lux I made an adaptor to go on where the rocker cover vent tube used to go onto the intake manifold.
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 8:44 pm
by thehanko
Any chance of a pic?
thanks for the advice
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 10:08 pm
by ausyota
Nah I dont think I have a pic of it.
I sold the Lux about a year ago.
It was simply a couple of inches of hose to slip over the barb on the intake manifold with a brass barb the same size and an olive style nylon fitting screwed into that in the end of the hose.
Sounds complicated but is really simple.
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 11:31 pm
by v6hilux
ausyota wrote:On my old Lux I made an adaptor to go on where the rocker cover vent tube used to go onto the intake manifold.
This would measure vacuum, as the rocker vent is normally before the turbo intake!
It is really simple, we need info on where it plugs into the cross pipe or manifold after the turbo.
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 12:46 am
by ausyota
v6hilux wrote:ausyota wrote:On my old Lux I made an adaptor to go on where the rocker cover vent tube used to go onto the intake manifold.
This would measure vacuum, as the rocker vent is normally before the turbo intake!
It is really simple, we need info on where it plugs into the cross pipe or manifold after the turbo.
I said it goes where the rocker vent used to go into the intake manifold before the turbo was fitted. It is a barbed fitting on the intake manifold that gets blanked off when the turbo is fitted and the vent pipe then goes to pre turbo.
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 9:27 am
by phippsy
The shop that did the injector pump after I put on the turbo tapped a hole on the pipe, one side goes to the boost compensator and the other to the boost guage.
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 11:22 am
by v6hilux
ausyota wrote:I said it goes where the rocker vent used to go into the intake manifold before the turbo was fitted. It is a barbed fitting on the intake manifold that gets blanked off when the turbo is fitted and the vent pipe then goes to pre turbo.
That's OK!
I didn't have all the info first go!
It's a good place in that case!
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 11:36 am
by thehanko
phippsy wrote:The shop that did the injector pump after I put on the turbo tapped a hole on the pipe, one side goes to the boost compensator and the other to the boost guage.
ON this picture one end goes to the guage, but where does the other end go?
sorry to be such a turbo tech dunce.
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 11:54 am
by thehanko
ah... just learnt to read, boost compensator. do all set ups have a boost compensator? if so can i just t piece that instead of risking metal into the intake or having to remove bits?
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 12:21 pm
by gutlux44
no you wont have a boost compensator unless you got one fitted or your running a surf injector pump. i did the same setup as ausyota, modified the the old breather fitting on the standard intake manifold, very easy with a few clamps, hose and fittings. definalty boost there, my gauge doesnt even go into vac at an idle.
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:54 pm
by thehanko
v6hilux wrote:ausyota wrote:I said it goes where the rocker vent used to go into the intake manifold before the turbo was fitted. It is a barbed fitting on the intake manifold that gets blanked off when the turbo is fitted and the vent pipe then goes to pre turbo.
That's OK!
I didn't have all the info first go!
It's a good place in that case!
Is this the 10mm (approx) pipe which sits in the center of the top of the manifold? in the picture that was added to this topic it would be just hidden by the left edge of the brass t piece.
ON mine it has been capped off with a rubber cap and a pipe clamp?
If so then it looks like an excellent place to fit it. Is there an easy way to down size the tube that would fit this fitting to the tiny tube of the boost guage?
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 2:45 pm
by gutlux44
yeah thats the one, i just used a piece of pipe about 2 inches long clamped it to the original breather fitting on the manifold, put the fitting that came with the gauge on the end of the boost gauge line and push the fitting into the open end of the piece of hose on the manifold and clap it in there. worked for me but it depends what gauge you have you may just have to find a different fitting.
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 3:07 pm
by thehanko
I think that will work for me too.
I will have a go this afternoon.
Thanks for everyone help.
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 3:47 pm
by Mattoz
i just got some fittings from pirtek and connected it to where the vent pipe used to connect to the intake just like the photo(dont have a pic of mine so i found this one), and installed the gauges in the dash.
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:14 pm
by thehanko
UM, things arent looking to good
check out
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/sutra1386398.php#1386398
for my issues
I fitted the boost guage here is this right?
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:29 pm
by macca81
y start up a new thread?? you have plenty of folks in this one giving advice...
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:47 pm
by thehanko
SORRY.
I thought as it was a new question the right thing to do was to open a new thread.
The heading of this thread is no longer relevant to the question involved, as im no longer trying to learn about how to install it.
My new question is is my turbo stuffed.
I didnt mean to snub the people already giving me help hence why i invited their comments on the new question.
I didnt know i was doing the wrong thing - Once again Sorry.
I have re asked the question in this thread so feel free to delete the other thread (though im still not sure why it was an issue, im sorry for my error).
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:49 pm
by thehanko
IM concerned that my CT20 turbo on my LN106 HIlux 2.8L 3l Diesel is not working i.e no boost.
I fitted a boost guage this afternoon and its not registering any movement under revs - if anything it is creating a tiny vacume.
The picture below indicates where i fitted the boost guage.
I removed this bung and the boost gauge and gave it a rev, at idle you can feel a pulsing air flowing out (like a mini exhaust would feel) When reved the amount of air comming out reduced but didnt stop completely.
PLEASE TELL ME IM WRONG.
If you cant tell me im wrong advice would be great...
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:52 pm
by MissDrew
No biggy.
Its still about your turbo and boost gauge and the mod you asked about in this thread.
Like I said, no biggy, but I needed something to do around here
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 7:09 pm
by Sic Lux
Should be able to change or add on to the name of the thread
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 7:13 pm
by thehanko
Guts wrote:No biggy.
Its still about your turbo and boost gauge and the mod you asked about in this thread.
Like I said, no biggy, but I needed something to do around here
Ha ha know the feeling. cheers
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 7:20 pm
by thehanko
Ok so back to topic.
Hooked up the guage again (flea bay purchase - second hand speco boost/vacuume guage) unfortunately it shows a -4 psi reading instead of 0 which confuses things a bit but the change should indicate boost.
On the advice given I went for a drive rather than just revving it in the driveway. Found a big hill and flogged its guts.
On the up side we have boost! on the down side it maxed out at about 5psi at 3000+ revs uphill.
I thought normal for a ct20 was about 9psi.
if 9 is normal... the turbo is working but not well? or do i just need to wind up the boost from standard?
Could the guy who fitted it (home job) have resricted it somwhere by mistake?
thanks again
Oh and being able to edit titles would be a good idea.
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 7:24 pm
by MissDrew
Just go to yor first post and click edit, you can edit the thread heading from there. Well I can even if you can`t
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 7:27 pm
by thehanko
indeed so can we.
ta guts
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 7:46 pm
by yamaha__308
thehanko wrote:Ok so back to topic.
Hooked up the guage again (flea bay purchase - second hand speco boost/vacuume guage) unfortunately it shows a -4 psi reading instead of 0 which confuses things a bit but the change should indicate boost.
On the up side we have boost! on the down side it maxed out at about 5psi at 3000+ revs uphill.
I thought normal for a ct20 was about 9psi.
-4psi + 9psi = 5 psi ? Is the gauge not zeroed?
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 8:01 pm
by phippsy
You might need a restrictor in the line to the boost gauge. The one I got from the local vdo dealer at the time was tiny and slotted into the tube going to the gauge.
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 8:33 pm
by thehanko
when the engine is turned off or at idle the guage shows -4 psi or a vacuume of 4psi.
At maximum boost its showing 2psi.
2 - -4 = 6 psi. but thats assuming the guage still has an accurate spring rate. maybe this is the problem.
Sorry but I didnt understand the bit about the in line restrictor? whet do you mean?
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 8:41 pm
by v6hilux
6PSI is OK, there is a device called the waste gate, you probably know about, but if you still have a problem. Is it opening early?