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thers a 91 mdl d/fuel 8 seater for sale at a yard for $8000 , got me thinking are they getting to old? being constant 4wd there is only 2 speeds in the transfer case, i dont know much about them but it looks ok,

what are your thoughts on this model?

seaeagle wrote:thers a 91 mdl d/fuel 8 seater for sale at a yard for $8000 , got me thinking are they getting to old? being constant 4wd there is only 2 speeds in the transfer case, i dont know much about them but it looks ok,

what are your thoughts on this model?

its got a crappy 3f engine... look for something post 93.

yer mate stay away there a heap of shit go 93 onward and get the 4.5ltr motor

as said get the 4.5litre motor.
or...

get a DIESEL!!!
ok a non turbo wont go as fast or hard, but they are very reliable and great as a tourer.

im guessing he's looking for something cheap... seaeagle, with a little patience you will find cheap gxl 4.5ltrs too.

non turbo 80 are under 7grand

DIRTY ROCK STAR wrote:non turbo 80 are under 7grand

Still use a bucket load of fuel which is currently 30c per litre more then petrol.
are gutless compaired to a petty
are very expensive to rebuild if the worst happens, lets not meantion how old it is and there for more likely to need a rebuild sooner rather then later.
For one of the same spec and condition cost more to buy.

Seriously, I can not understand why people even look at old diesels anymore. If buying new then mmmmm yeah ok I can sort of understand it.

Keep an eye out and don`t be in a hurry and you`ll get a 93 or newer 4.5 petty GXL with a few extra`s on it for around the $8000 if not cheeper.

Guts wrote:

DIRTY ROCK STAR wrote:non turbo 80 are under 7grand

Still use a bucket load of fuel which is currently 30c per litre more then petrol.

diesel prices are high, true. but a stock as a rock 1HZ 80 uses about 12l/100km around town and as good as 9 - 10 on the highway if you are happy with 100km/h. even driving a petty very very carefully you'll never get better than 16, and more like 22 around town and 18 highway. If range is important to you then they are worth considering.

are gutless compaired to a petty

in the bush, nothing compares to 1HZ torque. 1FZ-FE is not in the same ballpark for low rpm work, and even the DI turbos are poor in the lower rpm. for touring, especially with the truck loaded up or with a trailer, a 1HZ will struggle but they are by no means 'underpowered' compared to say a 2.8 hilux or similar vintage. with a 1HZ you always have the option of ading a turbo later if you want.

are very expensive to rebuild if the worst happens, lets not meantion how old it is and there for more likely to need a rebuild sooner rather then later.

1FZ-FE isn't exactly a cheap rebuild. there are 1HZ's running around getting near the million km without ever having had the head off let alone bottom end overhaul, they are a proven long lasting engine. most of the deaths you hear about are related to timing belt failure or overheat damage usually due to excessive turbo boost and fuel. If you abuse any engine, it will die

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there are good reasons why people buy diesels and there are good reasons why they cost more. The total cost of ownership of a diesel in the long term is similar to that of a petrol engine vehicle when all is considered, however for range and reliability you just can't go past a diesel, especially an 'old school' diesel like the 1HZ, very little to go wrong. There are plenty of secondhand and aftermarket parts available. It is a viable option. you can't argue that its a better option than a 3F powered 80.

Hey, i picked up a late 94 GXL for $7400. It has a couple of dints, but is great mechanically and rust free.

Sorry that was a 4.5L petrol auto.

Yeah , got a factory turbo diesel one, love it, goes good, very capable and comfortable.
Shop around there are thousands to pick from, you will buy a good one, or find what your after.

dumbdunce wrote:

Guts wrote:

DIRTY ROCK STAR wrote:non turbo 80 are under 7grand

Still use a bucket load of fuel which is currently 30c per litre more then petrol.

diesel prices are high, true. but a stock as a rock 1HZ 80 uses about 12l/100km around town and as good as 9 - 10 on the highway if you are happy with 100km/h. even driving a petty very very carefully you'll never get better than 16, and more like 22 around town and 18 highway. If range is important to you then they are worth considering.

are gutless compaired to a petty

in the bush, nothing compares to 1HZ torque. 1FZ-FE is not in the same ballpark for low rpm work, and even the DI turbos are poor in the lower rpm. for touring, especially with the truck loaded up or with a trailer, a 1HZ will struggle but they are by no means 'underpowered' compared to say a 2.8 hilux or similar vintage. with a 1HZ you always have the option of ading a turbo later if you want.

are very expensive to rebuild if the worst happens, lets not meantion how old it is and there for more likely to need a rebuild sooner rather then later.

1FZ-FE isn't exactly a cheap rebuild. there are 1HZ's running around getting near the million km without ever having had the head off let alone bottom end overhaul, they are a proven long lasting engine. most of the deaths you hear about are related to timing belt failure or overheat damage usually due to excessive turbo boost and fuel. If you abuse any engine, it will die


there are good reasons why people buy diesels and there are good reasons why they cost more. The total cost of ownership of a diesel in the long term is similar to that of a petrol engine vehicle when all is considered, however for range and reliability you just can't go past a diesel, especially an 'old school' diesel like the 1HZ, very little to go wrong. There are plenty of secondhand and aftermarket parts available. It is a viable option. you can't argue that its a better option than a 3F powered 80.

If thats what you want to beleive then you keep buying the diesels and leave the petrols alone, only makes them cheeper for us that want them

Now I`d only buy a pre 93 if I was going to drop a gen 3 or something like that in it straight away

The only way i would buy a big petrol 4by would be if its on gas. old petrols are about as exciting as old diesels. they both have their down sides.

But then again im a bit sceptical of old petrols on gas too.

diesels were slow but very tough.
Petrols were quick but drink like fish.

With all the talk of people not going on trips etc cause they cant afford the fuel - i would choose slow but still get to go than - fast and sit at home dreaming.

even a diesel with fuel costs being 10% more they are far cheaper than petrols.

dumbdunce wrote:
in the bush, nothing compares to 1HZ torque. 1FZ-FE is not in the same ballpark for low rpm work, and even the DI turbos are poor in the lower rpm. for touring, especially with the truck loaded up or with a trailer, a 1HZ will struggle but they are by no means 'underpowered' compared to say a 2.8 hilux or similar vintage. with a 1HZ you always have the option of ading a turbo later if you want.

How does the 3FE compare to a 1HZ in regard to torque and rpm ?

Just cause the older petttys are pretty much line ball with a 1HZ, 3F same torque at same rpm as 1HZ more or less and can chug down below 500rpm, a 2F about the same torque again but 400rpmish lower peak and happy to chug at very low rpm.

im going against the grain here....my 3f in the 60 aint no rocket and it does about 300kms to the tank of gas...bout 65lts, im not complaing bout that, i kinda love my 60, just driving past the car yard and thought a 80 would be nice..

my concern was more the constant 4wd, doing lot of highway kms, not sure youd need that extra diff turning ect...

agreed the 93 , 4.5 would be better, are they all constant 4wd aswell?

A guy on lccol just posted his part timer 80 into a tree round a dirt corner...had he of been constant, it may not of happened..its a safety thing. I loved my old 3f 80...it just didnt have the power of the 4.5, but the down side was the electronics in a 4.5 if anything went wrong compared to the points in the 3f...luckily nothing electronic ever went wrong with the 4.5....