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I bought a feroza from vic I live in qld, with a v6 com motor & hilux runing gear front & back, it was rego,d in vic for about 4 years with these mod,s done & they were engeneerd down there with vic roads.I bought it unrego,d its been out for a bout 4 months.now they say that if a car has been rego,d in another state that you can get it rego,d here .so I tryed to do that up here in qld & first they wanted pics & ifo on the rig plus the engeneer,s certificate from vic roads ,I did that , now they want me to get a full engeneer,s report up here its bull shit.so dose anyone no of an engeneer who can do this or can I just get the engine plated & leave it at that any help would be greatfull thanks

For the sake of others in QLD thinking of doing the same interstate thing, this is a question you should ask before buying it. Then consult (with pics and reports) with an engineer in QLD capable of certifying it before buying it.

Chatto, I hope you find someone to help and let us know how you go!

Sorry I don't know anyone that will engineer cars in Qld but I wish you luck in getting those mods passed up here. Definitely take v6 Hilux's advice next time and find out whats legal in your state first.

Is a safety certificate not enough; you can get that at most mechanics,

sounds like *BESTY*'s old rig?

I can't believe this is still happening. Im aware of a few cars this has happened with.

Some background:

Engineer's certificates are granted by the state in which the car is registered. The engineers are approved by the state in which they operate. It's not a federal system.

As a result, all the states interpret the ADR's differently. NSW is the most liberal, QLD is the tightest.

Additionally, the regulations within each state change over time, so a car that was certed 4 years ago might not get a cert today. (and, in fact, I'd be surprised if the car you own would get a cert in Victoria now)

So:

As a result, you can't walk in to your registration authority in QLD with a Victorian engineer's certificate and expect to get plates. Sorry, but that's the way it is. QLD won't trust Victorian engineers so yes, you have to get it assessed under QLD criteria.

All up, I don't believe your car can be registered in QLD. It's way beyond what can be built under QLD modification laws as I understand them (I do know the car you own.) You can speak to an engineer, the QLD Registration authority will have a list of engineers that could sign the car off. Bear in mind, if they sign off something that's not permissible they stand to loose their livelihood. Engineers have lost their accreditation with the Registration authority here in Vic for certing dodgy stuff and I'm sure it can happen in QLD too. So if they say no, it's no.

It MIGHT have been registrable in QLD as an ICV, when it was built, but this is a massively complex and expensive process and a range of ADR's for the year the car was built have to be complied with, and that's hard if it's say, a 1995 feroza and you're trying to reg it as a 2008 model.

In all seriousness, your best bet might be to sell it back to a Victorian.

Some engineers hold accreditation in more than one state, and additionally, some mods are permissible in QLD that aren't in vic (QLD are very relaxed about bigger motors, for example) and that's why they will have asked to see the cert before advising you need to get he car re-assessed.

Steve.

Infamation? You wish to be infamous?

You have a few role models on OL:

bogged
BJ
Grimace
V6Hilux
Evil666

On a wider scale, there's always the Wenzel route to internet infamy. Take your pick.

Oh, Engineers in Qld.

Only one I know is KCF Rallysport, but he's up on Redcliffe Peninsula - long way away from you.

Good luck,

Scott

your very close to the nsw border... hint hint.

do you know anyone in nsw. hint hint.

perhaps parents who might register the vehicle in nsw. hint hint.

might be easier as it sounds like your up shite creek in qld.

oh and im sorry to hear it, you must be seriously pissed!

Chatto would still have to pay to get the car approved and Reg'ed in NSW (assuming he can - there's no guarantee it'll get passed in NSW) , and then if he's caught driving it more than once in QLD they'll be onto him pretty quick. If it gets defected, it's going to be a real mess to fix.

You CAN be defected even when the car is registered in another state, it's just unlikely, but park it out the front of your house for 6 months and it's going to start looking a bit fishy trying to claim it's not yours your just driving it for a mate from NSW.

For those of you who don't know the car it it's pretty tall and it's going to attract all sorts of the wrong attention in QLD where I understand they're red hot on tall 4WD's. This car is tall You're not sneaking past anyone in a feroza with a SPOA live axle in the front.

Steve.

yeah maybe not a good idea in a very noticable car, but if the other option is throw the car away, id give it a go.

Maybe talk to some engineers in qld and nsw to see if they think its even an option, before paying for a full report. save throwing good money after bad.

Gwagensteve wrote:

Engineer's certificates are granted by the state in which the car is registered. The engineers are approved by the state in which they operate. It's not a federal system.

I just bought a lux from NSW. Has injected 5 litre in it and all sorts of other stuff on it.

It was a straight swap, didnt need to see the car or anything. I just showed them the engineers reports and it was a straight transfer.

This was from NSW to VIC tho

Yes, I am aware of the swap being done from NSW to Vic too without too many problems, but not into QLD.

Steve.

There is an engineer in Vic that is National accredited.

Good luck trying to use him though, and you want to have some coin.

Now I think more that won't even help you unless he will pass it, which by the sounds of it would be unlikely.

Nick

CWBYUP wrote:There is an engineer in Vic that is National accredited.

Good luck trying to use him though, and you want to have some coin.

Now I think more that won't even help you unless he will pass it, which by the sounds of it would be unlikely.

Nick

There is no such thing as a "national Acredited" engineer. They are members of IE Australia or SAE Australia. The states approve their own engineering signatories, which must be a member of either. There is a list in all the relative state websites.

Every body should take notice of Gwagen Steve as he is spot on & knows what he is talking about except for the ICV thing.

The ICV rules are for vehicles which are built from scratch, if you start off with an actual vehicle then it is a "Modified Production Vehicle". Our local registering authority actually has a definition on what was allowed as an ICV.

mkpatrol wrote:

CWBYUP wrote:There is an engineer in Vic that is National accredited.

Good luck trying to use him though, and you want to have some coin.

Now I think more that won't even help you unless he will pass it, which by the sounds of it would be unlikely.

Nick

There is no such thing as a "national Acredited" engineer. They are members of IE Australia or SAE Australia. The states approve their own engineering signatories, which must be a member of either. There is a list in all the relative state websites.

This isn't just for 'automotive engineers' either, all engineers must be accredited in teh state they work in... ie. civil/structural engineers..

Chatto, you don't need an engineer, you need an "Approved Officer" - basically someone who can check for mod compliance and issue blue plates.

There are very few permitted mods that can't be certified under the blue plate system.

The guy I used has moved and I no longer know where he is, but many mechanics who do roadworthies can also do blue plates (but not all can do serios mods like yours).

You need someone who can certify engine swaps, transmission and diff swaps (and probably suspension mods???).

My blue plater told me all welding must be done by a ticketed welder. Does the truck have SPOA conversion??? If so then bad news...

Ben, it's a feroza with a SPOA/Hilux diffs, Commodore V6 and hilux transfer.

I think this might be a touch beyind a blue plate...

Steve.

bogged wrote:sounds like *BESTY*'s old rig?

I bet it looks like his too

Gwagensteve wrote:Ben, it's a feroza with a SPOA/Hilux diffs, Commodore V6 and hilux transfer.

I think this might be a touch beyind a blue plate...

Steve.

OK then it's easy. SPOA cannot be approved in QLD. The regs say something like "placing the springs above the axle cannot be used as a means of lifting a vehicle"

My engineer/blue plater said it MIGHT be possible to get a conversion approved if the overall ride height stayed the same - but it would be a test case.

There is not really anything an Engineer can do in QLD, if it isn't part of the blue plate system then 9 times out of 10 it can't be done.

Sorry Chatto - looks like you are out of luck. Talk to a qualified blue plater to see what you would need to do to get it approved. If you convert to SUA, then maybe the rest will be OK?

Gwagensteve wrote: I think this might be a touch beyind a blue plate...

Nothing is beyons a blue plate - even an "individually constructed vehicle" gets a blue plate, but usually only qualified engineers are authorised to fit these.