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Hi - anyone done the HHO kit for their vehicle. Im looking into it and it seems like a vialble idea. There must be someone else out there that has looked into it and ossibly installed it.

comments both kind and nasty are welcome.im after the truth, not something to waste my money on

Dan

WTF is a HHO kit cos i have NFI!!

please explain?

you know... the HHO kit

HHO is hydrogen, has anyone installed a hydrogen kit to their vehichle ti assist with fuel consumption

danman-gq wrote:HHO is hydrogen, has anyone installed a hydrogen kit to their vehichle ti assist with fuel consumption

H is hydrogen
O is oxygen

I assume HHO is a mix of water and hydrogen (where the atoms have disassociated - thru electrical charge or similar).

Got any more info?

search water for gas on the internet, you will find a lot of information

i was wondering if anyone on this site has fitted a Hydrogen generator or knows someone who has fitted one

thanks in advance

Dan

di-hydrogen monoxide .. stuff should be banned.

love_mud wrote:di-hydrogen monoxide .. stuff should be banned.

a bit of info on HHO systems
http://flapdoodledinghy.com/HHO_generator.html

Inline with a hiclone and an electric turbo .. would be the go.

I cant see how such a tiny quantity of hydrogen would make a lick of difference to your vehicles performance.

I may be wron, pls let us know if you do it and how it pans out for you.

shorty_f0rty wrote:WTF is a HHO kit cos i have NFI!!

please explain?

HHO is water for people who failed chemistry and want to rip off all the other people who failed chemistry.

At least a Hiclone doesn't wear out your alternator.

tweak'e wrote:

love_mud wrote:di-hydrogen monoxide .. stuff should be banned.

a bit of info on HHO systems
http://flapdoodledinghy.com/HHO_generator.html

I can't find anything in there about his MPG before or afterwards.
He does state that the vacuum at idle has increased, but given it was a freshly rebuilt engine that's still running in, that's completely expected.

KiwiBacon wrote:

shorty_f0rty wrote:WTF is a HHO kit cos i have NFI!!

please explain?

HHO is water for people who failed chemistry and want to rip off all the other people who failed chemistry.

At least a Hiclone doesn't wear out your alternator.

aaaaaah

2 H's and an O

KiwiBacon wrote:

shorty_f0rty wrote:WTF is a HHO kit cos i have NFI!!

please explain?

HHO is water for people who failed chemistry and want to rip off all the other people who failed chemistry.

At least a Hiclone doesn't wear out your alternator.

Kiwis H2O is water HHO is still a form of Oxyhydrogen the same chemical compound as water but the molecular structure is different.

A pure stoichiometric mixture is most easily obtained by water electrolysis, which uses an electric current to dissociate the water molecules:
electrolysis: 2 H2O → 2 H2 + O2
combustion: 2 H2 + O2 → 2 H2O
The energy required to generate the oxyhydrogen always exceeds the energy released by combusting it

KiwiBacon wrote:

tweak'e wrote:

love_mud wrote:di-hydrogen monoxide .. stuff should be banned.

a bit of info on HHO systems
http://flapdoodledinghy.com/HHO_generator.html

I can't find anything in there about his MPG before or afterwards.
He does state that the vacuum at idle has increased, but given it was a freshly rebuilt engine that's still running in, that's completely expected.

there was a bit mentioned on it. basicly it was small and due to how finicky the system is, straight water injection makes more gains.

from straight hydrogen it wouldn't be enough to be worth. what i didn't factor in was the oxygen part. pure oxygen displaceing the air means overall increase in oxygen which equals more burn so to speak.

however i suspect if you pour enough in to get it to help the petrol to burn you will probley burn the valves out. you can get better economy on any motor by advancing ignition and running it lean but motor won't last long.

I had a look at my brother inlaws petrol hilux fitted with a ''hydrobooster'' on the weekend.
It runs 25% hydrogen in his deticated lpg system. He says he gets an extra 120kms out of a tank full of gas, with the same power as petrol. Its a very simple system which takes up hardly any room.

Cheers den

Thanks Den81 - Finally someone replying that has actually had some experience or seen one in operation. I also run LPG and was hoping for some savings as current consumption in 5.5k / litre or 18l /100. Petrol is the same.

when i tow lpg is just annoying as just have to flog the vehicle to get anywhere and its much better on petrol SO ! if i could improve econony all round i wil have better daily driving and better towing and 4wding capability.

any chance you would send me your brothers phone number so i could have a quick chat with him????

thanks

Wont find out until tomoro, i'll pm ya then.

Cheers den

That old thing about fools and their money...

Den81 wrote:I had a look at my brother inlaws petrol hilux fitted with a ''hydrobooster'' on the weekend.

Got a link?

Den81 wrote:It runs 25% hydrogen in his deticated lpg system. He says he gets an extra 120kms out of a tank full of gas, with the same power as petrol. Its a very simple system which takes up hardly any room.

Cheers den

Got some specific before and after figures?

How big is his tank? How many litres does he put in each fill?
How many kilometres was he travelling on each tank before his mods?
How many kilometres per tank now?

How does he know it's 25% hydrogen? Can you define "25% hydrogen"? Is that one part hydrogen to three parts LPG? He uses 1 litre of liquid hydrogen for every 3 litres of LPG?

I would love to believe that this works, but every website I have ever visited waffles on about oil company conspiracies, and how much better the world will be, and how, once properly tuned, the engine will run on water alone!

No.

Just went and googled "hydrobooster" - first hit typical website hype, water alone, link to a V8 something or other which runs on pure water - but nobody has been able to replicate the feat, because they can't find the right relays!

I'm with the chimp.

im not interested in running onwater alone - i would have to think that is years away for a succesful result.

Just want to get amximum economy and to if what is out there works, from someone who had tried it

Dan

I dont know any specific figures scott, all i know is my bro inlaw is more than happy with the results. Its supposed to make the gas burn more efficently, like lpg does to diesels. Hydrogen can be produced, it just takes alot of power to produce it quick enough for a car to run on it 100%.
The more fuel go's up, the more of this sort of thing will be experimented.

Cheers Den

Just found this,
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Hydrogen-Cell-Pl ... dZViewItem

sounds like a similar syste.

Cheers Den

just for the people that think it wont work.

http://www.fordmods.com/forums/boost-mi ... 59449.html

have a read. Garth it seems is doing the undoable

KiwiBacon wrote:

shorty_f0rty wrote:WTF is a HHO kit cos i have NFI!!

please explain?

HHO is water for people who failed chemistry and want to rip off all the other people who failed chemistry.

At least a Hiclone doesn't wear out your alternator.

the systems i've seen only draw about 2 amps. and still have large efect of economy

brad-chevlux wrote:just for the people that think it wont work.

http://www.fordmods.com/forums/boost-mi ... 59449.html

have a read. Garth it seems is doing the undoable

lol yes, he even got better fuel economy when the electrodes had broken off and it wasn't producing gas! Awesome system.

chimpboy wrote:

brad-chevlux wrote:just for the people that think it wont work.

http://www.fordmods.com/forums/boost-mi ... 59449.html

have a read. Garth it seems is doing the undoable

lol yes, he even got better fuel economy when the electrodes had broken off and it wasn't producing gas! Awesome system.

You can just buy the gas, don't know if that is cheaper than LPG though

LuxyBoy wrote: The energy required to generate the oxyhydrogen always exceeds the energy released by combusting it

Yep! that pretty well sums it all up.

LuxyBoy wrote: Kiwis H2O is water HHO is still a form of Oxyhydrogen the same chemical compound as water but the molecular structure is different

Pure BS. There is only one way two hydrogen and one oxygen molecule can combine and that results in the polar H2O molecule known as water.
Anyone who claims otherwise is trying to blow smoke up your ar$e.

LuxyBoy wrote: A pure stoichiometric mixture is most easily obtained by water electrolysis, which uses an electric current to dissociate the water molecules:
electrolysis: 2 H2O → 2 H2 + O2
combustion: 2 H2 + O2 → 2 H2O
The energy required to generate the oxyhydrogen always exceeds the energy released by combusting it

Perfectly true, except for there being no such thing as "oxyhydrogen". Oxygen and Hydrogen are distinctly seperate gases.
Electrolysis is a painfully slow process, after about a minute you'll get enough to make a slight pop.

chimpboy wrote:

brad-chevlux wrote:just for the people that think it wont work.

http://www.fordmods.com/forums/boost-mi ... 59449.html

have a read. Garth it seems is doing the undoable

lol yes, he even got better fuel economy when the electrodes had broken off and it wasn't producing gas! Awesome system.

Do you think it's got anything to do with the extra kit they sell to fit at the same time, the one that tricks the oxygen sensors into running the engine lean?

Like that clown in the links higher up, installed the kit, leaned his carbs out as far as he could and went down two jet sizes. Cured his plug carboning problems too.