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Hey all a got a old shity roza bout 3 months ago. so far all i have done is filled it with mud and wound up the toursion bar.

i want to build it up to a beast so i can shit all over my mates zook!!!!

what are the best mods i can do to get it big and is it worth while looking at replacing the front diff??

thanks

phraze.

phraze - how much time and money are you prepared to spend ?

I'm not trying to be funny - there's lots of stuff in the aftermarket for zooks and virtually nothing for Feroza's and what there is is damm expensive.

Tell us how much and I'm certain there will be lots of suggestions. You also need to decide if it matters if its illegal.

phraze84 wrote: i want to build it up to a beast so i can shit all over my mates zook!!!!

Unless you pretty much have the cash to change diffs to open up gearing and lockers, you won't be able to shit over thier zook.

For offroad parts, Feroza's and Rocky's are very limited in what you can buy, everything is custom made and costs a lot usually.

The best performing cars offroad are the ones you don't care about. Judging by the way you describe it, your fez should already get further than your mates zuke

Weld both diffs, and don't take your foot off the loud pedal till you've driven whatever your driving or something breaks.



Then go out an buy something that actually will crap all over a zuke

EDIT:

And put big tires on it. Don't worry about lift just angle grind any bits that hit the tires off, unless you need them. Body panels are sacrificial, steering components, not so.

Ha Ha, yeah i know probably not the best for offroad but i think the look a bit better then sierra's and i can take the roof of in summerim running 31s cranked up the toursion bar thats about it realy it handles like shit but does the job...

just wanted some more clearance to start with but with the standard set up on the front thier doesnt seem to be much i can do.

i was thinking of an after market toursion bar and some extended shocks to stop it from toping out!

Probably the easiest and cheapest way to outdo the mate
and his zook is to plan two weeks away wheeling, camping
and drinking and make sure to tell ya mate he has to bring
enough food, water and supplies for the entire time.........

The extra space in the Fez will "sh!t all over the zook"

Short of that, reliability is always a good investment in a car,
good oils, regular maintenance and proper tuning......always nice
to have a car that's ready to wheel whenever you are.....

NB if inviting said mate, ensure you bring girls along too......
not just for that amount of cr@p they can bring but to avoid the
above sounding...well.....not quite right

sierra

sorry mate but you would have to spend a lot of moola to Shit over a Sierra in a Fez, specially since you are driving IFS against Solid Axle.

do SAS then you might start to just shit on the zook

what sort of difs are the easiest to swap??

ive been told to get a roze rear for the front or a vitara diff???

i was also told to just do a lux diff on the front leave the rear standard which sounds like a load of shit to me??

If you want to swap your front IFS for a solid, the EASIEST and by far the best way, is to go out an buy a complete, working solid axle rig.




Take off all the Fez badges, put them on the other car. Done.

Sorry, but SAS'ing anything is going to be hard. EVEN harder on a fez, cause next to nobody does anything that resembles a kit for them, and even normal parts are getting harder to find for Daihatsu's.

But hey, if you've got loads of time, loads of cash, and loads of welding rods. Stick around, there's a few here that have gone down this path.

cool

i mite just start off small then with new raised suspension set up all round and maybe a body lift. ext what i have to & start saving for the diffs...

thoughts on putting the leafs ontop of axel at the rear???

ive also got that really painful squeaking noise when im taking off, its stops once im cruzn over 90-100kms but as im sure you guys know its a bit of a struggle to get to what my mates have name the quiet zone in my roza...

anyone know what it could be??

i think its the exhaust

80% chance its the exhaust manifold from what you are describing.

Also doing a SPOA on only the rear and trying to m,atch the front with it willl not work. You will be sitting so hihg on the rear and have a very shitty front end

Can't see any point in SPOA on rear unless you want to look like a street rod with the nose point down.....

Options

Rear locker $3000 K&S Tuning in Germany
Front Locker $3000 under development
Transfer Conversion / gears $4000
Front suspension mods $1000
Rear Suspension mods $750

And that's mostly not engineered so add a few grand extra if you want to be able to drive it legally.

SAS the front - BIG job and will end up way too high IMO, going to spend time on side/roof.

And....... the front suspension is limited by the chassis not shocks. Only practical way to get more travel is to modify control arm length.
Lift can be had through ball joint spacers in the front but there are limits as CV angles can get out of control.

YOur going to learn a lot, and spend a lot very quickly if you stick with a Feroza....

well ill start out small see how i go.

mite put some serious thought into getting something else in a little while...

thanks for the advise ill keep you guys posted.

Mighty mouse how you have extend your suspension travel in front by modifying control arm length i dont get

longer control arms produce more vertical travel at the wheels for the same change in arm angle.

If the arms are angled down slightly it also produces an increase in ride height - which is also cool.

This also doesn't change the CV joint angles either so its the way to go....

Unfortunately there are limits to how long the arms can be without changing the chassis design as the car gets too wide. Need to keep the track to wheelbase ratio under control to ensure straight line stability.

P.S. its not a small job as you need to lengten the steering, driveshafts, brakelines and control arms.

Hello Phraze84,

Its not the end of the world with your Feroza. I have modified my
Feroza and the costs was not so high. It is also a mean trailing machine. I
can go any place that a fully modified zook or land cruiser or patrol can
go. In fact in some cases, My Feroza can go farther.
Here are the offroad mods that I did.

1. 2.5" body lift
2. 1.5" suspension lift via ball joint spacer and slightly crank torsion bar
3. conversion into a mini pickup
4. Steel bumpers
5. Replaced with shocks tuned for offroading
6. 7,500 lbs winch
7. Fozzy lockers for front
8. tighthened built in rear LSD for better offroad performance
9. 4-2-1 Extractors for more torque
10. 32" MT
11. Simota free flow air filter
12. Wheel balancing and camber and wheel alignment
13. Good looking interior - better than the spartan zook
13. Very cold airconditioning - again better than the zook
14. 2" wheel spacers for more stability
15. Fender trim because when the wheel spacers were installed, there
was slight rubbing on the fenders.
16. retained roll bars at the rear

Honestly I have considered doing a SAS as a future project but in the
meantime, the Feroza is as capable as most rigs for serious trailing.
Here are some pictures:
Front view

view of rear bumper

Rear view

Side view

Here are some pictures of the front differential undergoing
Fozzy locker convertion.


Placement mark to make it easier to align them

Side gears filled up


Side gears grinded

monmendoza - start running 34" inch tyres, transfer gears etc etc and the welded front isn't going to last. Welded front diffs break even on stockies used moderately hard.

The Salisbury style centre is just too weak because of the cast in holes. The rear diff will also handgrenade if used seriously.

Its not going to be as much of an issue with the Feroza's awful transfer ratio but its all just too fragile when used hard. If you have a decent reduction ratio instead stock you'll smash it very quickly.

Take it easy otherwise you'll break it.

phraze, take a look at pigletracing,& you will see what you can do to a FEZ, & at the end of the day it wasnt all that expensive,baught the running gear for 2.5k & they had lockers / compressor/solinoids & switches, 4.88 imported ratios from Italy were $ 450 each,shit load of time on the welder, & there it is

monmendoza - start running 34" inch tyres, transfer gears etc etc and the welded front isn't going to last. Welded front diffs break even on stockies used moderately hard.
The Salisbury style centre is just too weak because of the cast in holes. The rear diff will also handgrenade if used seriously.
Its not going to be as much of an issue with the Feroza's awful transfer ratio but its all just too fragile when used hard. If you have a decent reduction ratio instead stock you'll smash it very quickly.
Take it easy otherwise you'll break it.

Thanks mightymouse for the advice. Actually its the same advice that many veteran offroaders have told me. " Don't use your stock differentials for Racing and Rock Crawling" I believe that these are realistic limitations for the stock differentials with Fozzy lockers. Luckily I am not into both Racing and Rock crawling . So far, my Feroza have hold its own on very difficult terrain. I just have to be careful in making sure I don't really drive it very hard.