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Does anyone know much about these tyres???

They seem to be $20 cheaper a tyre than the nearest mud terrain tyre (excluding Pirelli Scorpion which I don't like).

All my mates run them on sierras and jimnys and they've been really good for cheaper mt's.

The jimny's look like getting about 50000 out of them and they do take some punishment

Thanks MJ... I still really want some mickey t baja claws but we'll see if the funding allows it.

FerociousFeroza wrote:Does anyone know much about these tyres???

They seem to be $20 cheaper a tyre than the nearest mud terrain tyre (excluding Pirelli Scorpion which I don't like).

Interesting to see how they run....I need a new set out tyres but mine have to be highway friendly

As well as the general use/abuse you put your tyres through, vehicle weight, in my opinion, plays a large part in tyre wear. Put 2 sets of tyres on 2 vehicles at the same time, same tyre, but lets make the vehicles a Sierra and a 100 series. Subject them to the same wear patterns, which vehicle is going to wear their tyres out first? The 100 series, of course. Difference, WEIGHT. You can get away with a light vehicle wearing aggressive tyres and still expect very good mileage out of them, not so a heavy vehicle. Price isnt always the best indication of quality or longevity, but its a reasonable yardstick.
QLDGAL, if you can afford them, look at BF Goodrich A/T's, not Long Trails. In a 235/75R15 or 9.50-30-15 size will suit your Feroza. My opinion, a good compromise tyre between on and off road driving.

or qld.. you could do what i did.. .buy strictly mud tires and learn to drive em on freeways!

If price isn't a concern then the Goodyear Wrangler MTR would have to be a good buy- everyone who's got them reckons they're really good on road and excellent off road. The smallest size is 235/75R15 which is illegal on a Feroza in most states (if that sort of thing concerns you ie. possible insurance payout problems; defectable vehicle)

If you're after an A/T the Cooper Discoverer A/T is an excellent tyre from my experiences. The grip on road is unbelieveable and the ride is a lot better than my old Bridgestone D682 highway tyres; and off road on gravel etc they're excellent. I haven't had them in mud yet. They also come in 235/70R15 which is the maximum legal size increase for most states- I couldn't find any other tyre that is made in that size. They also come with a 50000km pro rata guarantee.

vehicle weight, in my opinion, plays a large part in tyre wear.

Hence the 50000 was specifically mentioned as being on a jimny

I wouldn't expect great miles from a set on a patrol

Be good on a feroza though

Thanks MJ... I still really want some mickey t baja claws but we'll see if the funding allows it.

Do it mate, you will NEVER be happy till you do Thought you buying another rig though

murcod wrote:If price isn't a concern then the Goodyear Wrangler MTR would have to be a good buy- everyone who's got them reckons they're really good on road and excellent off road. The smallest size is 235/75R15 which is illegal on a Feroza in most states (if that sort of thing concerns you ie. possible insurance payout problems; defectable vehicle)

Agree with you Murcod on the Goodyear MTR's - they really do stand out as a "true" all terrain tyre - ( IMO if it is no good in Mud - then it is not really an "All Terrain" tyre is it ) These will be my next tyre - if these bloody Yokies ever wear out

235/75 R15 is the perfect upgrade for the Feroza's - & are perfectly legal on the Widetracks in all states as they came from the factory with 225/70 R15 tyres -
If you are really concerned about the legallities of running a 235/70 vs a 235/75 on a narrow track ( & this would have to be the LEAST of your worries - how many Patrols & Cruisers are running 35" tyres which are also illegal !! ) then it would be an extremely easy Engineer - as the Widetrack is already placarded for 225/70's & has the same Brakes / Transmission / Steering Engine etc so it would come under upgrades from a latter model - if all components are the same ( or upgraded ) then it can be engineered.

Later - Mike H.

Remember too, some Rockys and Ferozas (I think) came with 255 tyres as standard from the factory.

MJHsurfin wrote:235/75 R15 is the perfect upgrade for the Feroza's - & are perfectly legal on the Widetracks in all states as they came from the factory with 225/70 R15 tyres -
If you are really concerned about the legallities of running a 235/70 vs a 235/75 on a narrow track ( & this would have to be the LEAST of your worries - how many Patrols & Cruisers are running 35" tyres which are also illegal !! ) then it would be an extremely easy Engineer - as the Widetrack is already placarded for 225/70's & has the same Brakes / Transmission / Steering Engine etc so it would come under upgrades from a latter model - if all components are the same ( or upgraded ) then it can be engineered.

Later - Mike H.

Mike, the maximum legal diameter increase for most states is 15mm over the maximum tyre size listed on the placard- even with 225/70R15 (which is listed on the placard in my narrow track) going to 235/75R15 is a 37.5mm increase and NOT legal! I know these rules apply in NSW, SA, Vic and QLD.

235/70 is a 14mm increase and just scrapes in as being legal.

It's not an easy thing to get engineered either- been there, tried that. I was told emissions testing, drive by noise testing, slalom test etc. etc. would need to be carried out to get it engineered here in SA. Lots of $$$ just to get an engineer to approve it; and even then the local authorities may not approve the mod!

G'Day Murcod,

The Engineer who did my Certificate for my Bodylift, Suspension & 31's had no problem at all with the 31" tyres on my Feroza - & was quite adament that anything up to 2" larger diameter did not even require engineering on a 4wd - are you sure the 15mm regulations apply to 4wd vehicles - could be just passenger cars.
He did take exception to my 25mm wheel spacers though - so I removed them for on road use
He even engineered my Revolver Shackles - providing I locked them in place for on road. If the Engineer you spoke to gave you this much hassle just go somewhere else. The amount of 6"+ Lifted 35"+ tyred 4wds around show that it can be done.....

235/70's are a pain in the arse size - impossible to find in the bush & the loss of sidewall height is a major disadvantage - not to mention lack of tyre choice ( as you obviously found out )

Guess it is one of those things that you take a chance on, or not. If you wanted to play it by absolute letter of the law you wouldn't do anything to your 4wd - front bars, rear bars, spotties, sidesteps, suspensio, towbars, swaybars, headlight upgrades....anything !! If they want to get you....they will. Hope nobody out there has anything home made on their 4wd......no chance this would stand up in Court after an accident. Unfortunately these are the times we live in......

Later - Mike H.

Forgot to add - I have also made enquiries with both Macquarie 4x4 & Mannells recently on fitting & engineering a Superlift or similar 4-6" Suspension Lift & 33" tyres to my Surf - both said that they can do it no problems, & said the 33" tyres don't need to engineered ( I have 31's as standard ) but I could add them to the Certificate if I wanted to cover my arse. Engineering Big Lifts & Tyres is something these companies do every day - maybe SA is different ??

Later again - Mike H.

I don't know how hard it is to get those things engineered in other states, but I made my initial enquiry to Transport SA (who do vehicle registrations etc) and they forwarded it onto to Regency Park (who do vehicle inspections). They confirmed it was illegal to increase the diameter by greater than 15mm and gave me a list of approved engineers who may be able to approve the mod.

I Emailed three and only one bothered to respond- none of them on the list specialised in 4WD's either..... The one who bothered responding gave me the full list of tests required. I thought at the time he obviously hated 4WD's but have since found out he owns one!

Needless to say I gave up- too hard and too many dollars for something I was rarely going to benefit from.

I'd be careful of any place that says larger tyres don't need to be engineered (they obviously just want your $$$ for the expensive larger tyres- they don't care if your vehicle is defected and undriveable if you get caught.) Look up the rules for your state, they're usually available online if you search hard enough.

PS: I also forgot to add braking efficiency testing to the list before.

Hmmmmm....

And all I did was ask about the Hancooks.

Was going to buy another rig but priorities have changed. I figured I need to buy a house more than I need a new rig (actually I was told!).

It's amazing what changes when you get married!!!

I got the BF Goody Muddies 30x9.5 on the Feroza narrowtrack. Had them on for over 12 months (20,000k's) of 90% road 10% offroad driving.... have abouy 80-85% tread on them!!!



For the small light weight offroader, these are the go.... I am sure the other brands would be just as good for wear (goodyears MTR, etc).

IMHO, if you use the car offorad, forget about A/T's...... they are not that good off-road.