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i bought a suzki soft top.. and was just wondering if anyone could tell me if Superior Engineering Rotating Drop Shackles are aloud on the road.... I need to go for a road worthy

thanks anthony :) :)

No drop shackles are aloud on the road mate... big huge no no. Put them on after the road worthy!!!! hehe. My drop shackles came with stickers on them saying "caution.. off road use only" hehe.. i took them off

They suck anyway. Take them off.

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:They suck anyway. Take them off.

Steve.

haha.. each to their own mate

Gwagensteve wrote:They suck anyway. Take them off.

Steve.

+1 - Great if you like posing, useless if you like driving.

Layto....

get it up there wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:They suck anyway. Take them off.

Steve.

haha.. each to their own mate

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You're quoting yourself agreeing with yourself? Quick! get back to the RTI ramp! there's posing to be done...

Steve

Gwagensteve wrote:You're quoting yourself agreeing with yourself? Quick! get back to the RTI ramp! there's posing to be done...

Steve

Oh settle down.. everyone is entitled to their own opinions with certain things arent they?? i can think of plenty of positive uses for them.. but we wont go there cause this argument has been had plenty of times!!!!!!!

Yes, everyone is enititled to their opinion. However, that opinion should be informed and open to discussion and debate. The informed opinion of most people that have built, bought, and used these shackles is that they do not add to the capability of the vehicle. As a result, they are far less popular than they once were. That's certainly not because I don't like them, it's because many people have found they don't work and have moved on to other ideas, like lower cars and bumpstops.

They are, however, excellent for posing on ramps.

Feel free to post X3 after this response.

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:You're quoting yourself agreeing with yourself? Quick! get back to the RTI ramp! there's posing to be done...

Steve

That wasn't him, it was his twin brother!

Mr pup wrote:i bought a suzki soft top.. and was just wondering if anyone could tell me if Superior Engineering Rotating Drop Shackles are aloud on the road.... I need to go for a road worthy

thanks anthony

Well i hope we answered you qtn mate, in a nice friendly, and imformative way

By telling a newbie to put a pointless, illegal and possibly dangerous part back on his car after he gets it roadworthied, making his roadworthy and the insurance he paid for technically worthless.

But so long so you say it nicely, you can tell him to do whatever you like.

Steve.

I reckon they can have their place, particularly in the rocks with a fair bit of unsprung weight, and some center limit-straps, but not on a road driven car. I just cant see someone having road-driven sierra big enough to need them. simcoz's rig on irok's is one that springs to mind..
That said I'd sooner have long flat flexy leaves with a big shackle angle for lots of drop and/or a 3/4" elliptical rear before drop shackles...

lay80n wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:They suck anyway. Take them off.

Steve.

+1 - Great if you like posing, useless if you like driving.

Layto....

iv gotta say, when i bought my zook it had climaxs front and rear, i only ever unpinned the fronts when i had the car on display at 4wd shows
i would not unpin them in the bush. i have since got rid of the fronts, inplace of extended shackles, i only run them in the rear, (cos i done have anything to put in its place) but again i only unpin them to put it on the ramp.

gwagensteve wrote:

gwagensteve wrote:

Dee wrote:That said I'd sooner have long flat flexy leaves with a big shackle angle for lots of drop and/or a 3/4" elliptical rear before drop shackles...

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Sorry, couldn't resist that.

sell em & put the money towards a locker.

Gwagensteve wrote:

gwagensteve wrote:

gwagensteve wrote:

Dee wrote:sell em & put the money towards a locker.

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Pyrotech wrote:

lay80n wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:They suck anyway. Take them off.

Steve.

+1 - Great if you like posing, useless if you like driving.

Layto....

iv gotta say, when i bought my zook it had climaxs front and rear, i only ever unpinned the fronts when i had the car on display at 4wd shows
i would not unpin them in the bush. i have since got rid of the fronts, inplace of extended shackles, i only run them in the rear, (cos i done have anything to put in its place) but again i only unpin them to put it on the ramp.

WHAT makes it the case that you would need more travel on a ramp as oposed to a track, be rocks or mud holes???
that i cant understand.
id say i want as much travel as possible in all conditions

Dee wrote:I reckon they can have their place, particularly in the rocks with a fair bit of unsprung weight, and some center limit-straps, but not on a road driven car. I just cant see someone having road-driven sierra big enough to need them. simcoz's rig on irok's is one that springs to mind..
That said I'd sooner have long flat flexy leaves with a big shackle angle for lots of drop and/or a 3/4" elliptical rear before drop shackles...

Bwahahahaha! You had drop shackles before you went to normal shackles lol.

11_evl wrote:

Pyrotech wrote:

lay80n wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:They suck anyway. Take them off.

Steve.

+1 - Great if you like posing, useless if you like driving.

Layto....

iv gotta say, when i bought my zook it had climaxs front and rear, i only ever unpinned the fronts when i had the car on display at 4wd shows
i would not unpin them in the bush. i have since got rid of the fronts, inplace of extended shackles, i only run them in the rear, (cos i done have anything to put in its place) but again i only unpin them to put it on the ramp.

WHAT makes it the case that you would need more travel on a ramp as oposed to a track, be rocks or mud holes???
that i cant understand.
id say i want as much travel as possible in all conditions

The ramp is static, you drive up it and stop, there is no weird loading/unloading or traction issues (axle wrap\hop)
On a track you want control, not a floppy suspension that is unpredictable.

Think about driving up a ramp with no shocks and vastly different air pressures in the tyres it's pretty easy .. now think about trying to drive a track like that .. would suck.

Massive flex is HUGELY overrated in most real world scenarios.

so is driving with drop shackles similar to driving with no shocks and or flat tyres???

11_evl wrote:so is driving with drop shackles similar to driving with no shocks and or flat tyres???

No driving with drop shackles is nothing like driving with out shocks or a flat tyre, what love_mud is saying is that to drive a ramp, it is a very controlled action, u are just lifting one wheel up, while the other 3 sit on the ground, (he is saying that this could be done without shocks quiet easily) this is not like actual 4WDing, where any or all of your tyres are moving. so on a ramp, there is nothing happening to create weird stuff to happen ie loading or unloading of springs,

yes i have wheeled many times with the shackles unpinned, and yes it does ,make the car do weird things, i personally rather sacrifice a bit of flex, in exchange for the predictability of what my suspension is going to be doing

thats just my $0.02 worth

thats ok i just wanted to clear that up
i have been running 'drop' shackles for about 6 months now and its never really concerned me that much, but im more of the non worrying type, i just drive it how it is and make the most of it.
id rather have a wheel on the ground than a bit of weird handling.

each to there own i guess

11_evl wrote:thats ok i just wanted to clear that up
i have been running 'drop' shackles for about 6 months now and its never really concerned me that much, but im more of the non worrying type, i just drive it how it is and make the most of it.
id rather have a wheel on the ground than a bit of weird handling.

each to there own i guess

Its not the wheels on the ground, it the tin on the ground.
Do you have diff locks .. if not sell your wacky shackles to someone and get lockers .. it will get you far further. (on several tracks I could go further in a locked 2wd than an unlocked 4wd)
If you already have locker .. sell your wacky shackles to someone else and buy better springs, you will get about the same amount of flex, but better control and less spring wrap\axle hop.

Yes I have used drop shackles, I ditched em for longer springs and shackles .. they were far better.

I've just been reading this thread and it looks like these Superior Drops Shackles could be awesome.

Does anyone sell them in melbourne?

greg wrote:I've just been reading this thread and it looks like these Superior Drops Shackles could be awesome.

Does anyone sell them in melbourne?

I will make you a set ..

love_mud wrote:

greg wrote:I've just been reading this thread and it looks like these Superior Drops Shackles could be awesome.

Does anyone sell them in melbourne?

I will make you a set ..

I'm already looking forward to see what technical improvements will be added to your design...

why not have everything,
no the drop shackles wernt my first mod but as i drive harder and harder stuff the need to keep the wheel on the ground more than the tin grows...
why is flex so bad


(yes im aware that we are talking shackles and i posted a pick of coils)
just showing flex adds stability

there are alot more factors than just saying flex adds stabillity, and no, you can't have everything. the drop shackles they are talking about are horrible on the road, and there are other better methods of gaining wheel travel, and still being nice to drive on the road.

we can only work towards having everything
ive only been doing 4wds for a bit over a year now so i really no f all and am always willing to hear advice from more experenced people!!!
which has made this site so great for me

so come on joe, dont hold out on us