Outer Limits 4x4 Board

I live in QLD, and want to know what the highest LEGAL suspension you can go, springs and body and whats the biggest tyre you can run??????
and not get fingered

im guessing tyre size is different for individual cars so you all know have got a GQ

and i know removing swaybars is illegal, are those auto-disconnect swaybars legal

whythef@#!not wrote:I live in QLD, and want to know what the highest LEGAL suspension you can go, springs and body and whats the biggest tyre you can run??????
and not get fingered

Variable depending on make/model/year of car, what aftermarket lifts have been engineered for it already and dependant on how nice the coppa is feeling when he/she pulls ya up.

whythef@#!not wrote:I live in QLD, and want to know what the highest LEGAL suspension you can go, springs and body and whats the biggest tyre you can run??????

Im not sure, but I think there *maybe* bout 40000 threads asking same question.

but wait till NCOP comes out, apparently Qld will be let loose then with the new rules.
they are due out anytime in the next 100000 years

suspension is an increase of the 1/3rd bumpstop distance - rule of thumb is 2" though, some can actually get 1" more, some less

tyres- 15mm IFS, 50mm Solid axle front

track width increase- 26mm's so bigger tyres might need lesser offset rims

body lift- 2" engineered only


swaybars must be connected when onroad if factory fitted, after market swaybar disconnects are legal

chikoroll_ wrote:suspension is an increase of the 1/3rd bumpstop distance - rule of thumb is 2" though, some can actually get 1" more, some less

Pretty much my understanding.

chikoroll_ wrote:tyres- 15mm IFS, 50mm Solid axle front

You might want to check this. There are some modifications which are different for IFS vs solid axles front and rear, but I don't think tyre size is one of them. Until the NCOP is adopted, it's 15mm larger. NCOP allows 50mm for 4wd, but I suggest you call the Qld Transport Vehicle Modification line - I found them to be quite helpful when I was up there.

chikoroll_ wrote:track width increase- 26mm's so bigger tyres might need lesser offset rims

Again, check. I think 26mm is the difference for IFS vehicles, but beam axles front and rear are allowed 50mm

chikoroll_ wrote:body lift- 2" engineered only

Mine required pre-approval from Qld Transport, then an department inspection - no engineer. When I did mine, 2" was definitely the limit - no exceptions.

chikoroll_ wrote:swaybars must be connected when onroad if factory fitted, after market swaybar disconnects are legal

I've heard this, but never seen anything in the regs. When I had my 4by engineered in SA, the engineer wasn't the slightest bit concerned that my rear swaybar had been removed - it passed the handling tests without it, and that was all that mattered. His report doesn't mention it, so I hope it shows up in his photos...

What Scott says is correct

or maybe just maybe you could actually ask the authorities yourself about your own car and get the low down from them instead of relying on the info from a nameless faceless person on the internet

Grimbo your right but they will not give you a definate answer.. saying that i had my GQ defected recently took me visits to 3 different branchs of QLD transport to get it passed as it was and rules are pretty much exactly what chicko has explained...i hate QLD :(

I dont know why you would ask on an internet site ahah. Youll get a million slightly twisted answers, everyones been done for petty shit and everyone has got away with illegal shit, and noone in trans will tell you black and white.

End of rant.

why dont i ask the authorities, i have done and the amount of different answers i get, to queensland transport its alright you drive down the street and get a ticket for it..

and as far as asking on here, you can tell which people have a fair idea of what they are talking about and which people are idiots posting useless shit, if you aint gonna post anything usefull about the question DONT POST ANYTHING

looks like i will be goin 2' lift and 2' body, and will have to look into the tyres a bit more

i am pretty sure in qld they are pretty strict on the swaybars, so if the disconnects are legal, will invest in a set of those

cheers for some of the input
nick

Make sure you get the bodylift inspected and you should be right with the 2+2. With the tyres Qld follows the ADRs which state no more than a 15mm increase in diameter and a track increase of 25mm for a IFS and 50mm for a solid. Doesnt matter if its solid, IFS 2wd or 4wd 15mm increase is all you get.

Interesting, i got a hilux with 3" Body lift and 35" tyres, it was engineered about 6 years ago, and in the report it clearly states all these mods are engineered,

With the new laws, is this still legal?

e32 wrote:Interesting, i got a hilux with 3" Body lift and 35" tyres, it was engineered about 6 years ago, and in the report it clearly states all these mods are engineered,

With the new laws, is this still legal?

Victoria has very different laws to QLD so not even remotely comparable. Yes it should still be legal in Victoria as long as no other mods have been done and everything is road worthy but best bet if you are worried is to find out from vicRoads yourself. Also make sure you still have all the engineers reports and carry a copy with you when you drive the vehicle.

yeah all mods r engineered, cheers. The only thing is, i think it has slightly higher springs, how much higher than stock are you allowed to go without having it engineered?

Also im surprised that u cant rock a fat 4 wheeler in QLD, u see so many there

become friends with some one in nsw and have the rego and your license there then qld transport cant do diddly squat as long as you dont get pulled over to often

Marrying your sister is still not legal.

I would pay double just to have rec/club rego like vintage and hotrods have

dirtyGQ wrote:I would pay double just to have rec/club rego like vintage and hotrods have

agree

dirtyGQ wrote:I would pay double just to have rec/club rego like vintage and hotrods have

Too bad they (hotrods) must be over 30 yrs old, must comply with all/any ADRs relevant for that model, and are not actually free from modification laws.

But yes, it would be great if there was a recreational/concession rego for modified 4x4s. Aparently tall 4x4 rigs and semis are the reason people die on the roads all the time.

chickoroll_ wrote: tyres- 15mm IFS, 50mm Solid axle front

I got pulled up 4 weeks ago, the limit is 15mm over standard no matter if it is torsion bar, coil or leaf. I was in my GU.

But that was just that coppa, they are all different, depends if they got laid the night before.

sloshy wrote:

chickoroll_ wrote: tyres- 15mm IFS, 50mm Solid axle front

I got pulled up 4 weeks ago, the limit is 15mm over standard no matter if it is torsion bar, coil or leaf. I was in my GU.

But that was just that coppa, they are all different, depends if they got laid the night before.

that coppa was correct, its 15mm wether its torsion bar, coil leaf or the bat mobile.

I have had some 2" lift coils made up for the rear that give the same flex as a 3" lift so you can run a 3" lift shock on the rear. I have normal duty and heavy duty rear 2" lift flexy coils. The only mod needed is a longer rear brake hose.

I don't have these on my web site yet, I just received them Friday. It has been raining today so they haven't been tested yet either.

I don't know if someone at the transport department would find that illegal. Someone might be able to tell me.

Shane

sloshy wrote:

chickoroll_ wrote: tyres- 15mm IFS, 50mm Solid axle front

I got pulled up 4 weeks ago, the limit is 15mm over standard no matter if it is torsion bar, coil or leaf. I was in my GU.

But that was just that coppa, they are all different, depends if they got laid the night before.

what size tyres were you running? and what did you do to get pulled over?

chickoroll_ wrote:

sloshy wrote:

chickoroll_ wrote: tyres- 15mm IFS, 50mm Solid axle front

I got pulled up 4 weeks ago, the limit is 15mm over standard no matter if it is torsion bar, coil or leaf. I was in my GU.

But that was just that coppa, they are all different, depends if they got laid the night before.

what size tyres were you running? and what did you do to get pulled over?

Running 315/75 r16's, was dropping the missus and her friends at the Ipswich cup, I was stopped by one of the coppers directing traffic, lucky it was only a verbal warning. He said it comes under the anti hooning laws now so you don't get a defect notice anymore but you get a nice notice to appear in court. Then the 2nd time caught its 48 hours impound then 3rd time it can be confiscation.

ah ok, so you were running 35's

i'd stick to 33's

for only 1"lift difference, they arn't as obvious, 35's just look too big, so are extremely obvious

chikoroll_ wrote:ah ok, so you were running 35's

i'd stick to 33's

for only 1"lift difference, they arn't as obvious, 35's just look too big, so are extremely obvious

Funny thing though when I was waiting to go he to walked over and crouched down to look at the writing on tyre, took him a minute or so to find where the size was written. I was thinking " here we go"

sloshy wrote:

chikoroll_ wrote:ah ok, so you were running 35's

i'd stick to 33's

for only 1"lift difference, they arn't as obvious, 35's just look too big, so are extremely obvious

Funny thing though when I was waiting to go he to walked over and crouched down to look at the writing on tyre, took him a minute or so to find where the size was written. I was thinking " here we go"

so if they are going to the trouble to look at the size on the tyre are they going to go to the trouble to look at teh tyre placard, figure out the difference and then give you a ticket? or just give you a ticket and let you sort it out later?

even 7.50r16(about 32") vs 33" is more than 15mm difference. i have heard 1 tyre size increase is generally accepted but how anal are they going to get? by the way.. i got defected for 33's even tho the placard (which the cop didnt look/ask for) said 7.50r16.

he might have actually been interested in the fourby, he did let you off afterall, and just gave you a heads-up

chikoroll_ wrote:he might have actually been interested in the fourby, he did let you off afterall, and just gave you a heads-up

Yeah very lucky, stupid thing now though defects are classed as hooning

well it doesn't really matter what it is named as, they are still illegal modifications, and in the revenue raisers eyes, are dangerous, therefore worthy of taking your money

....bloody ridiculous how there isn't a way to get it legal though....