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Need advice, what does that funny shifter thing in my 4wd do
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:06 pm
by e32
Gday, im new to 4wd'ing, just got myself a 4x4 hilux,
Anyhow, i am not 100% sure on the workings of a 4wd, and have a few questions, particularly regarding the different modes (2wd 4wd etc)
Firstly, my understanding is that no matter what, regardless of whether u hav e it in 2hi, 4hi or 4lo, if you dont lock the front hubs, just the rear wheels will be driving yeah? There is no reason why you would do this?
Secondly, i am a bit confused about what you would use each mode for, i understand that 2wd is for the road, but for example, i am going up to my uncles farm, where the roads are clay, would it be suitable to use 4hi for this kind of terrain? I understand that 4lo is just for rock crawling/water crossings etc.
Finally, since my car has a big v8 in it, is it ok to do doghnuts in 4hi or 4lo or will it damage the system?
Any advice to a forby noob would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:53 pm
by chikoroll_
DO A 4WD COURSE
lock the hubs when you go offroad., if you don't lock the hubs the front wheels will not be powered
4L can be used with the hubs unlocked when extra torque is needed onroad (such as reversing a caravan up a steep driveway)
tight donuts are really only for 2wd, or it's just doing large circles.... be concious of where you do these.... we don't need more tracks closed down...
don't do these onroad, if it grabs, over you go
4high for most cases
4low when the 4high is struggling
4low is also for steep decents/inclines
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:05 pm
by e32
Thanks for the advice chicko roll, i plan to do a 4wd course very soon, it seems idiotic not to.
Hey dont laugh at me, you guys were all as shit as i am at 4wd'ing when u first started
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:12 pm
by silatman
Dude everyone does have to start somewhere but what concerns people most is you asking if you can do donuts locked in!!
What this sport needs most is young new blood but what it needs least is reckless hoon behaviour.
That will get you and who ever is in your car killed.
Ask questions by all means mate suck up as much info as you can when ever you can, just stay alive to use it
4x4
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:33 pm
by hollywood
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:39 am
by whitemav
chikoroll_ wrote:DO A 4WD COURSE
tight donuts are really only for 2wd, or it's just doing large circles.... be concious of where you do these.... we don't need more tracks closed down...
don't do these onroad, if it grabs, over you go
Even with your big v8 try hard enough on dirt and you will be on your lid.
If you realy like your rig leave the donuts for the rental cars
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:38 am
by highwaychook
chikoroll_ wrote:
4L can be used with the hubs unlocked when extra torque is needed onroad (such as reversing a caravan up a steep driveway)
so by doing that will it be in low range rear axle only???
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:05 am
by RUFF
highwaychook wrote:chikoroll_ wrote:
4L can be used with the hubs unlocked when extra torque is needed onroad (such as reversing a caravan up a steep driveway)
so by doing that will it be in low range rear axle only???
Yes. The front axles will still turn but because the hubs are not locked you get no drive to them.
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:05 am
by e32
OK Thanks guys, sorry i might have come across wrong, im going up to my uncles farm, he owns a big sheering station 100 square kilometers with heaps of completely flat clay pans on his own property where i usually do doghnuts when i go there. Only last few times ive gone up in a commodore or falcon.
I am into dirtbikes heaps and i understand that stupid behaviour leads to bad consequences for all involved, and i would only do "silly hoon behaviour" on private property where it belongs,
Cheers,
-Mike
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:33 am
by GQ Bear
As you'd already know from riding bikes, it's heaps more fun riding trails, hills, motocross tracks, etc. than clay flats. Likewise with 4by's.
Leave the donuts for the cops and poofters
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:42 am
by RUFF
e32 wrote:OK Thanks guys, sorry i might have come across wrong, im going up to my uncles farm, he owns a big sheering station 100 square kilometers with heaps of completely flat clay pans on his own property where i usually do doghnuts when i go there. Only last few times ive gone up in a commodore or falcon.
I am into dirtbikes heaps and i understand that stupid behaviour leads to bad consequences for all involved, and i would only do "silly hoon behaviour" on private property where it belongs,
Cheers,
-Mike
You will have much more fun and be a lot safer doing donuts in a commodore or a falcon. In 4wd most 4wds dont do very impressive donuts. Even in 2wd its less than spectacular to watch a stock 4wd try and do donuts. The raised centre of gravity also posses a conciderably higher risk of roll over.
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:09 pm
by ferog
Just ask Dumbdunce off the board, he'll tell you all about doing donuts in a 4wd.
BTW Mike try to refrain from doing them even though you're on private property, you've got f*ck all experience at this stage, I still wouldn't be doing it even if you had.
Join a decent 4wd club.
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:08 pm
by Guy
back to the questions.
2Hi any high traction surface, bitumen or dirt
4Hi any low traction surface, if you tyres are spinning you digging up the track, move to 4 Hi. You need some slip to allow for the differnt paths the front and rear follow. ( The Transfer case in part time 4wds does not have a differential in it)
4 Low, maximum traction and control, you can use it with the hubs unlocked for reversing caravans etc into tight spots without riding the clutch.
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:49 pm
by Struth
Bung in it 4WD (4 Hi hubs locked) whenever you are on the dirt or slippery surfaces.
Your steering and handling will increase dramatically because having the front wheels driven will effectively help the vehicle steer where you want it to go and help prevent the tail end wagging, especially when doing say 50 to 60 kmh on dirt roads.
Cheers
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:22 pm
by dumbdunce
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:17 pm
by clm434
Also the cost of driveline repairs are not worth the 5 mins of laughter you get from doing donuts, 4wd donuts will only compound your problems.
However, on private land by all means the occasional chuckle can be had from lighting up the tyres but I wouldn't do it for too long, nor would I make a habit of it.
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:49 pm
by jessie928
donuts are great fun in a v8 4wd.
if your car is not to top heavy, and you have a smooth paddock, go apeshit.
you can roll your 4wd on the track aswell, so if you roll it doing doughnuts who cares. at least there is no chance of rolling into spectators
Its all about enjoying your truck, If its your property, your truck, do whatever you want with it.!
whats the first thing any motor racer wants to do after he has one the race? DOUGHNUTS!!!!
you dont get the momentum you do in a 4wd in a dunnydore, its more fun with more weight. A mate of mine used to use station wagons and fill the quarters with cement so it goes aroound faster in a slide.
you also learn alot about your vehicle while getting it out of control in a controlled environment.
if you dont enjoy chucking a few dougnuts, you must quite frankly be to old!
its amazing the hypocricy some people come up with.so Dunking your car into a bonnet full of water is ok, bashing your car onto rocks, through mud, going end over down a steep decent, flipping it going up a steep incline is cool, but chucking doughy's isnt?
Jes
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:47 pm
by e32
Your right jes, i never thought of it like that.
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:33 am
by jessie928
e32 wrote:Your right jes, i never thought of it like that.
i have a video of me and my 2003 extra cab f250 ( 7.3 turbo diesel) going apeshit in 2wd and 4wd in a wet paddock, i gotta dig it out..hehehehe
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:34 pm
by grimbo
jessie928 wrote:ts amazing the hypocricy some people come up with.so Dunking your car into a bonnet full of water is ok, bashing your car onto rocks, through mud, going end over down a steep decent, flipping it going up a steep incline is cool, but chucking doughy's isnt?
Jes
how is that hypocritical? They are all part in parcel of driving a track. Chucking a doughy is just being silly. It does not mean you are getting further on the track, has no role to play other than going in a circle throwing mud.
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:07 pm
by jessie928
grimbo wrote:jessie928 wrote:ts amazing the hypocricy some people come up with.so Dunking your car into a bonnet full of water is ok, bashing your car onto rocks, through mud, going end over down a steep decent, flipping it going up a steep incline is cool, but chucking doughy's isnt?
Jes
how is that hypocritical? They are all part in parcel of driving a track. Chucking a doughy is just being silly. It does not mean you are getting further on the track, has no role to play other than going in a circle throwing mud.
where are you going down a track? do you have to be there? you are going for pure pleasure, same in a competition. PLEASURE is teh operative word.
driving a firetrail simply to drive it may seem silly aswell to most people, but we all do it for the fun of it. correct?
funny argument from you....
Jes
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:25 pm
by nicbeer
this thread brings back memories of "Whats IFS"
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:33 pm
by Guy
jessie928 wrote:grimbo wrote:jessie928 wrote:ts amazing the hypocricy some people come up with.so Dunking your car into a bonnet full of water is ok, bashing your car onto rocks, through mud, going end over down a steep decent, flipping it going up a steep incline is cool, but chucking doughy's isnt?
Jes
how is that hypocritical? They are all part in parcel of driving a track. Chucking a doughy is just being silly. It does not mean you are getting further on the track, has no role to play other than going in a circle throwing mud.
where are you going down a track? do you have to be there? you are going for pure pleasure, same in a competition. PLEASURE is teh operative word.
driving a firetrail simply to drive it may seem silly aswell to most people, but we all do it for the fun of it. correct?
funny argument from you....
Jes
Getting further down the track takes some level of skill and thought hanging donuts .. well .. turn the wheel and hold it flat pretty much sums it up .. I can hang donuts on my ride on mower if I want ...
I guess it is whatever floats your boat... If going round and round in very small circles on private land is what does it for you, good for you .. most people grow out of this by about age 18.
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:37 pm
by jessie928
love_mud wrote:jessie928 wrote:grimbo wrote:jessie928 wrote:ts amazing the hypocricy some people come up with.so Dunking your car into a bonnet full of water is ok, bashing your car onto rocks, through mud, going end over down a steep decent, flipping it going up a steep incline is cool, but chucking doughy's isnt?
Jes
how is that hypocritical? They are all part in parcel of driving a track. Chucking a doughy is just being silly. It does not mean you are getting further on the track, has no role to play other than going in a circle throwing mud.
where are you going down a track? do you have to be there? you are going for pure pleasure, same in a competition. PLEASURE is teh operative word.
driving a firetrail simply to drive it may seem silly aswell to most people, but we all do it for the fun of it. correct?
funny argument from you....
Jes
Getting further down the track takes some level of skill and thought hanging donuts .. well .. turn the wheel and hold it flat pretty much sums it up .. I can hang donuts on my ride on mower if I want ...
I guess it is whatever floats your boat... If going round and round in very small circles on private land is what does it for you, good for you .. most people grow out of this by about age 18.
so what, ? so your more intelligent because you dont chuck dougnuts?
hanging donuts .. well .. turn the wheel and hold it flat pretty much sums it up .
is there must be so much more involved in getting in and out of a boggole other than pointing the wheel and putting your foot flat to the floor???
going through a boghole, blocking yoru radiator, buggering yoru alternator, frigging all yoru bearings and flooding the truck....as opposed to chucking doughnuts... hmmm maybe its an intelligence thing.
you can also drive down a firetrail in your ride on, you will probably get furthur down also.
Jes
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:44 pm
by grimbo
jessie928 wrote:grimbo wrote:jessie928 wrote:ts amazing the hypocricy some people come up with.so Dunking your car into a bonnet full of water is ok, bashing your car onto rocks, through mud, going end over down a steep decent, flipping it going up a steep incline is cool, but chucking doughy's isnt?
Jes
how is that hypocritical? They are all part in parcel of driving a track. Chucking a doughy is just being silly. It does not mean you are getting further on the track, has no role to play other than going in a circle throwing mud.
where are you going down a track? do you have to be there? you are going for pure pleasure, same in a competition. PLEASURE is teh operative word.
driving a firetrail simply to drive it may seem silly aswell to most people, but we all do it for the fun of it. correct?
funny argument from you....
Jes
how is it a funny argument? Your point that it was hypocritical was the funny part. Can you honestly say that chucking a doughnut t is anyway comparable to driving an obstacle?
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:49 pm
by jessie928
grimbo wrote:jessie928 wrote:grimbo wrote:jessie928 wrote:ts amazing the hypocricy some people come up with.so Dunking your car into a bonnet full of water is ok, bashing your car onto rocks, through mud, going end over down a steep decent, flipping it going up a steep incline is cool, but chucking doughy's isnt?
Jes
how is that hypocritical? They are all part in parcel of driving a track. Chucking a doughy is just being silly. It does not mean you are getting further on the track, has no role to play other than going in a circle throwing mud.
where are you going down a track? do you have to be there? you are going for pure pleasure, same in a competition. PLEASURE is teh operative word.
driving a firetrail simply to drive it may seem silly aswell to most people, but we all do it for the fun of it. correct?
funny argument from you....
Jes
how is it a funny argument? Your point that it was hypocritical was the funny part. Can you honestly say that chucking a doughnut t is anyway comparable to driving an obstacle?
in your mind its probably not comparable because you think by going over an obstacle you are accomplising something more than pure enjoyment. you might think that just enjoying yourslef is a waste of time.
you are probably the type of person that get pissed off if someone else can havigate a track that you cant.
howeveri am the type of person that enjoys 4wding for the sake of 4wding.
Enjoyment itself is the end result of anything i do, Not accomplishment.
Jes
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:51 pm
by DIRTY ROCK STAR
what sort of V8 are we talking here??
and what gbox?
a few mates had V8 hiluxs (early models) and had alot of gbox dramas with the 4speeds from being hoons.
yeah ya wont learn without making mistakes. but try not to die.
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:52 pm
by grimbo
how are you getting any of that from my post? Never said anything about enjoying yourself as being a waste of time. All I have said is that your choice of the word hypocritical is weird and not relevant to your argument.
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:37 pm
by ferog
jessie928 wrote:grimbo wrote:jessie928 wrote:ts amazing the hypocricy some people come up with.so Dunking your car into a bonnet full of water is ok, bashing your car onto rocks, through mud, going end over down a steep decent, flipping it going up a steep incline is cool, but chucking doughy's isnt?
Jes
how is that hypocritical? They are all part in parcel of driving a track. Chucking a doughy is just being silly. It does not mean you are getting further on the track, has no role to play other than going in a circle throwing mud.
where are you going down a track? do you have to be there? you are going for pure pleasure, same in a competition. PLEASURE is teh operative word.
driving a firetrail simply to drive it may seem silly aswell to most people, but we all do it for the fun of it. correct?
funny argument from you....
Jes
It's going against the grain of why you'd own one in the first place. The chances of hurting himself or writing it off doing donuts I would think are alot higher than driving a firetrail as with donuts you're consistently challenging the centre of gravity. Not ot mention he's obviously inexperienced with 4wd's and impressionable otherwise he either wouldn't have to ask, or he just wouldn't be doing them, I think people are giving him a pretty appropriate response.
Someone is obliged to send out a bitch slap. No offence really, I just don't want to potentially hear about how he rolled it and killed it or hurt himself after one day on the dirt because someone on here told him it's cool fun to do donuts in his big v8 hilux for cheap thrills.
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:50 pm
by jessie928
ferog wrote:jessie928 wrote:grimbo wrote:jessie928 wrote:ts amazing the hypocricy some people come up with.so Dunking your car into a bonnet full of water is ok, bashing your car onto rocks, through mud, going end over down a steep decent, flipping it going up a steep incline is cool, but chucking doughy's isnt?
Jes
how is that hypocritical? They are all part in parcel of driving a track. Chucking a doughy is just being silly. It does not mean you are getting further on the track, has no role to play other than going in a circle throwing mud.
where are you going down a track? do you have to be there? you are going for pure pleasure, same in a competition. PLEASURE is teh operative word.
driving a firetrail simply to drive it may seem silly aswell to most people, but we all do it for the fun of it. correct?
funny argument from you....
Jes
It's going against the grain of why you'd own one in the first place. The chances of hurting himself or writing it off doing donuts I would think are alot higher than driving a firetrail as with donuts you're consistently challenging the centre of gravity. Not ot mention he's obviously inexperienced with 4wd's and impressionable otherwise he either wouldn't have to ask, or he just wouldn't be doing them, I think people are giving him a pretty appropriate response.
Someone is obliged to send out a bitch slap. No offence really, I just don't want to potentially hear about how he rolled it and killed it or hurt himself after one day on the dirt because someone on here told him it's cool fun to do donuts in his big v8 hilux for cheap thrills.
???
you have seriously missed the whole point. i wont make a comment in regards to the bitch slap comment, because it may get out of line
how can you SERIOUSLY argue a firetrail is safer than chuking doughnutrs in a paddock???? I was chucking doughnuts in paddocks when i was 10 years old.
JEs
