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what do people think about having different tyres on the rear to front and what would they have?
I would have boggers rear and trepadors front

For what application?

just for fun tyres,
for any application the 3 hardest conditions for me is steep muddy tracks or in the dry loose steep tracks or large rock/log obsticals

TSL front and Bogger Rear is sorta Common.

matto wrote:just for fun tyres,
for any application the 3 hardest conditions for me is steep muddy tracks or in the dry loose steep tracks or large rock/log obsticals

then trepadors all round. or simex's all round.. why mix and match?

surely there must be ab advantage of mixing tyres.
I picked boggers at the rear because they are a fat tyre and should give you good drive/grip but treps at the front for direction and control.

the issue might be in the tyre size - if front and rear arent the same size then ones going to spin faster than the other, so if the fronts were smaller they'd be trying to drag the rear somewhat... dont know if it'd make much difference though, i had larger rears for 6 months on my zuk, offroad you'd never notice, but if i used 4wd on wet road you could feel the front end occasionally dig in and "skip" cos it was spinning faster than the rear.

that is also your transfer case binding up which isnt good

one of our mates was running different size tyres and the transfer dropped all its gears all over the road while he was driving

You would have to be crazy to run different sizes front to rear in 4wd....think about it.

its not an uncommon practice to run smaller tires in mud running. theory is that the fronts spin up and dig down finding the harder stuff, while the rears then push thru along the stuff that the fronts found...

in places of higher traction, definatly not a good idea tho

I run TSL front and boggers rear..... big mistake

In my opinion boggers are extremly over rated, the only place i think they are any good is in mud

and that'd be what they are for.

Boggers were 100% designed as a DOT approved (US) mud drag tyre. The street legal classes for mud drag competition allow the tyres to be cut, and boggers were designed to have the small lugs cut off to make a kind of "legal" paddle.

Then the show truck guys got onto them, ad then the rock guys because they would hold ledges. (remember this is 95 or so - the Fourwheeler magazine tyre test of these featured Rick Pewe driving Truckhaven Hills on them, then guys like Randy Ellis ran them, then Shannon Campbell) they're all on Krawlers now.

They were never intended as a trail tyre and are only designed to be effective under throttle.

Peronally, I think I'd just cut some swampers, differently front to rear (look at some of the tennessee guys on pirate) but running a Q78 swamper front and 35 bogger rear has a certain appeal. I wouldn't do it on a car i liked the panels on though - unless you are well on the throttle, they'll have stuff all lateral grip.

Steve.

I noticed that alot of the yanks run boggers with the small tread lugs removed. This would make them better in the rocks at really low PSI i'd imagine.

It's the mud guys with big horsepower that do this. The rock guys tend to break the lugs up with 45˚ cuts across the lugs to make them flex better.

the small lug removal turns them into a paddle that works by displacing mud backwards to move the car forwards. It is likely to make the worse on rock as the voids are too big to grab the surface.

THe Tennessee guys are running lots of mud with rocky wet climbs. they have to get bite in the mud to throw the car up the rocks as they can't grip the rock. That's why they use the very high void cut patterns - it's all about bite off the line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t32kjYzP ... re=related

(this is in the dry but you get the idea)

the dominant rock tyres don't really run that much void It's all about compound and lots of edges at lots of angles. - creepy's, Krawlers etc. That's why very few guys still run Boggers in rock.

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:and that'd be what they are for.



Peronally, I think I'd just cut some swampers, differently front to rear (look at some of the tennessee guys on pirate)
Steve.

got a link chief?? for curiosity.

mmmm definately some interesting points of view on tires?? some bits i agree with? and some bits i definately don't!

1MadEngineer wrote:mmmm definately some interesting points of view on tires?? some bits i agree with? and some bits i definately don't!

BOGGER love!

1MadEngineer wrote:mmmm definately some interesting points of view on tires?? some bits i agree with? and some bits i definately don't!

So what do you agree with ... ?

DIRTY ROCK STAR wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:and that'd be what they are for.



Peronally, I think I'd just cut some swampers, differently front to rear (look at some of the tennessee guys on pirate)
Steve.

got a link chief?? for curiosity.

There are a couple pics here.
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/ft ... r+swampers

How to grove tsl superswampers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55tZFxqwe0Y

DIRTY ROCK STAR wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:and that'd be what they are for.



Peronally, I think I'd just cut some swampers, differently front to rear (look at some of the tennessee guys on pirate)
Steve.

got a link chief?? for curiosity.

These arn't the ones Steve is talking about, but here are some ideas Twon -


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre ... er+cutting

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre ... t=grooving

Layto....

Yep, most of the cool cuts are there.

Thanks lay80n

Steve.

that fat girl vid, he needs to harden up and give it abit of stick! as soon as he was hitting that rock ledge he was right off the pedal and letting it roll back down... soft c0ck!

Love this guys method!!!

Tawl Boy wrote:
Like This?


I used a 2" wood chisel and a torch on my boggers:

WICKED wrote:Love this guys method!!!

Tawl Boy wrote:
Like This?


I used a 2" wood chisel and a torch on my boggers:

too bad if they didnt work with that pattern!!! Lot of $ to blow

macca81 wrote:that fat girl vid, he needs to harden up and give it abit of stick! as soon as he was hitting that rock ledge he was right off the pedal and letting it roll back down... soft c0ck!

Did you watch it all ???
He was trying to do a wheelie all the way up.

Yep, Tim Cameron sure is soft. I'm sure you'd show him how it was done....

I'm not crazy about his driving style, but he certainly isn't soft.

Steve.

yea i watched it all, but ya would think that punching the throttle abit harder would have given the same result only 2 mins earlier

macca81 wrote:yea i watched it all, but ya would think that punching the throttle abit harder would have given the same result only 2 mins earlier

Or maybe flipped it