Outer Limits 4x4 Board

What size winch are people using? What is the minimum size recomended?

at a guess a 6000 is min i would use.

thou a boat/atv winch would work in the right circumstance

ive just been looking at the 4000lb winches on ebay and wondering if they would be any good as they are going fairly cheap

Boat winch will work but only just, and only for some things. You won't be pulling your Zook up rocky inclines with it, for example, but it will usually give what you need to pull you out of bog holes etc.

I bought a cheapie 1360kg boat winch for $90 and am happy with it ... I know its limits, it gives me more security if I'm out on my own, and it only weighs about 20kg. But it's strictly a recovery tool (and of limited use at that) not a winch in the true sense of the word.

Moph, where do u hook it up 2? or between.

does it pull the weight ok from a bog?

Mainly what i am after too not a full on winch,.

i guess a small winch would be ok IF it could hold enough line to nearly always do a double line pull to ease the load. ive got a 10 000 to put on, i picked it up cheap

I wouldn't fit any less than 6500lb. Mine is a 9500lb.

A 4000lb might be fine for light recovery on a zook but I use mine more on other(big heavy) vehicles and don't want to burn out my winch saving them so I went oversize for my needs.
Jas.

I have a 6,500lb warn and even though i have only used it a few times it been to get me out of a huge bog hole and to finish getin me over a huge rock ledge that was the same size as my car!(still spewin the rears wouldn't make it over.... )

BUT it pulled quicker then i thought and i'm extremely happy with it!

I would say 6,500lb

im running a 9500 ironman.. cheap, and plenty of power. At least that way youy also have the power there to pull ya mates out if their in heavier vehicles.. cause we all know how often they get stuck!!

I used to run a 6,000lb warn on my sierra (1200kg inc driver) which was plenty of winch... but be aware that it is inevitable that you will end up pulling out something else with it...

i would say - go as big as you can fit (both size and weight) and afford...

p.s. if you haven't got one already, add $350 to your purchase and score an Optima battery too for happy winching.

i was talking to the guys at ARB and they said that a 6500 was rocomended for my vit.. ended up going for a t-max9000 on special $650. mounted it on the weekend and it works great.

whinches are great, but god damm that cable is heavy when draging up a hill

i have 3500 pound winch of ebay. i would never use it without doubling it up. i pulled my lwb up a big bank at the weekend and it worked fine. wouldn't want to recovery a bigger car with it though.

man i musta gone overkill. Mines a 12000lb. but it is a cheapie.

I've got the Tmax 6500 pounder, the beauty of it is faster line pull than some bigger models. It has done a single line pull up a steep inlcine off the last row of line on the drum a few times and my Zook prolly weighs over a tonne easy

nicbeer wrote:Moph, where do u hook it up 2? or between.

does it pull the weight ok from a bog?

Mainly what i am after too not a full on winch,.

Just my recovery points front and rear. Benefit is that if you hook it to a single recovery point then you get a diagonal drag, which can be useful if you're on an incline, or you can hook a cable between the recovery points with a shackle in the middle to get front/rear directional pull. Could also hook a cable on one side front to rear points and pull sideways if required.

'A bog' - put it this way, if you're bogged to the diffs and have churned some nice big holes, phone a friend and make yourself comfy while you wait. But if you stop at the "oh shyte, I ain't getting nowhere" point before you're dug in, it'll do the job. Has a remote with a nice long cable, so hook it up, jump in the cab, keep the wheels churning slowly over in the direction of pull, and most of the time you'll be right.

Again it is NOT a full on recovery tool. It's just a bit of a safety margin that if you're driving with care and don't get yourself stupidly bogged, you should be able to get out.

Haven't done a double line pull with it yet - gotta get myself a pulley. Has 10m of cable which ain't much, but I figure that if I'm ever stuck that bad, I'll hook the pulley up to a snatch strap or two to give me the length I need, stand waaaay back with the remote, and winch away.

*** Just checked the box - it's a 6000lb winch BUUUUUT that is for rolling stock. Straight line pull is only 2000lbs (907kg), which I assume means that if you had a load suspended from it, it could winch 907kg vertically upwards. Should be enough to pull a bogged Zook in most instances.

I've got a XD9000 Warn Winch was a tight fit in the ARB bar (originally made for an 8000pd) but a few mods and she fell straight in. Got it Free from the boss (brand new)

has any one use the plasma rope?

BOGFROG wrote:I've got a XD9000 Warn Winch was a tight fit in the ARB bar (originally made for an 8000pd) but a few mods and she fell straight in. Got it Free from the boss (brand new)

if its a zook bar it was only intended for a 6000 max.

my 3500 pound winch, is inly good when just bogged. once car is really stuck the winch won't keep pulling. My mates 6000 is much better

Don't forget the other option...........

The good old hand winch!

A proper hand winch will get you out of most situations, Its harder work than an electric winch but will get you out of spots a small boat winch can only dream of!

zook4fun wrote:has any one use the plasma rope?

I assume that you mean the soft rope, Dyneema is its proper name. I have not used it on a winch, but in my profession I have used it a lot, brilliant stuff.

At stretch destruction, around 3-4% elongation, so if perchance you use it, and it snaps under load, it just falls straight down.

Very strong, very light, very bloody slippery, so tying knots is out. No knot will hold, it will undo under pressure, only splicing works, and even then, for a full unslipable splice, 12 tucks.

crazynic wrote:Don't forget the other option...........

The good old hand winch!

A proper hand winch will get you out of most situations, Its harder work than an electric winch but will get you out of spots a small boat winch can only dream of!

I used my hand winch once....then bought an electric.

6000lbs is perfect size enough power and not two heavy
pulled me and slyvan on a single line up a pretty shitty hill
TWO ZOOKS ON one 6000lb winch who needs bigger??

i have a 8000 hi-mount warn got it second hand for $500 it pulls my zuk with out even trying has goood line pull and dosent hassle the electrics much at all, try looking in the trading post or the weckers to save $$$

The high mount doesnt make a significant difference to the weight of the front end?

56kg with steel cable on it, from memory - or 12% of the cars total payload....

I can't say I'd mount a highmount on the front of a sierra.

I am working on a LWB trayback at the moment with a highmount that's mounted behind the rear axle and is able to winch rearwards or forwards. Keeps te weight much lower and off the front end.

Steve.

david123 wrote:

zook4fun wrote:has any one use the plasma rope?

I assume that you mean the soft rope, Dyneema is its proper name. I have not used it on a winch, but in my profession I have used it a lot, brilliant stuff.

At stretch destruction, around 3-4% elongation, so if perchance you use it, and it snaps under load, it just falls straight down.

Very strong, very light, very bloody slippery, so tying knots is out. No knot will hold, it will undo under pressure, only splicing works, and even then, for a full unslipable splice, 12 tucks.

Plasma is great, I think it is a brand name so maybe Dyneema is it tech name.
used it in winch challenge comps and it is awesome to use and not scary like the steel as it does pretty much stop before it will hit you, or if it did it won't take your legs off!
once you have used it you never want to use steel again, its just like using a normal rope, if your at the bottom of a hill you cant walk up, just get a few loops in hand and throw the hook up and the plasma will follow.

Plasma is expensive though and I would not be putting it on a weekend warrior, it needs to be washed after use so there is not as much dirt stuck between the fibre which is abrasive and wrecks it. and you shouldn't leave it in the sun either.
but an old peice ie ex comp peice would be ok for a weekender, only if you spool it on before you go out.

ps when it snaps you can tie knots in it to get you up a hill, they have to be good ones otherwise it does come undone.

ashley

heres my old thing with a high mount in the front and a 6hp motor, let me tell you that it doesnt stop no matter what and pulls straight up rock ledges example the water fall at TTC.




ashley

germo wrote:

david123 wrote:

zook4fun wrote:has any one use the plasma rope?

I assume that you mean the soft rope, Dyneema is its proper name. I have not used it on a winch, but in my profession I have used it a lot, brilliant stuff.

At stretch destruction, around 3-4% elongation, so if perchance you use it, and it snaps under load, it just falls straight down.

Very strong, very light, very bloody slippery, so tying knots is out. No knot will hold, it will undo under pressure, only splicing works, and even then, for a full unslipable splice, 12 tucks.

Plasma is great, I think it is a brand name so maybe Dyneema is it tech name.
used it in winch challenge comps and it is awesome to use and not scary like the steel as it does pretty much stop before it will hit you, or if it did it won't take your legs off!
once you have used it you never want to use steel again, its just like using a normal rope, if your at the bottom of a hill you cant walk up, just get a few loops in hand and throw the hook up and the plasma will follow.

Plasma is expensive though and I would not be putting it on a weekend warrior, it needs to be washed after use so there is not as much dirt stuck between the fibre which is abrasive and wrecks it. and you shouldn't leave it in the sun either.
but an old peice ie ex comp peice would be ok for a weekender, only if you spool it on before you go out.

ps when it snaps you can tie knots in it to get you up a hill, they have to be good ones otherwise it does come undone.

ashley

yeah i hate when my steel cable snaps and i have to sew it together again....hang on....thats never happened on our zooks........