Outer Limits 4x4 Board

hey guys what rego do i need to enter comps? my truck is registered at the moment but i donno if i will have the funds to keep it that way and after we put coils under it, it will never pass a road worthy again.. so wats the best thing to do? it wont be driven on the road, is there some other type of rego/insurence i can get ?
cheers tyson

i thought they had to pass engineering and roadworthy?

keep paying the rego and hope they dont pull you over
most comps need extended 3rd party so need to be registerd
but check every comp has there own rules

AcTioN13 wrote:i thought they had to pass engineering and roadworthy?

Really? ok can some one please help me here

Every comp truck is registered as a 4wd and requires engineers certificate and 3rd insurance as well and this includs all the 4wds that compete in Tuff Truck.

They are not registered as tractors like a lot of people seem to think.

Cheers Mick.

60_series_united wrote:ok can some one please help me here

what would you like, donations?

yeah well its not goin to be drinin on the road it will be trailered every where and i only wanna do local comps at landcruiser park or sonthing like that

i think the rego factor is to cover the insurance of the organisers. from what it know

AcTioN13 wrote:i think the rego factor is to cover the insurance of the organisers. from what it know

I think you are right.

Mick. wrote:Every comp truck is registered as a 4wd and requires engineers certificate and 3rd insurance as well and this includs all the 4wds that compete in Tuff Truck.

They are not registered as tractors like a lot of people seem to think.

Cheers Mick.

So you're telling me they all have a set of plates and pay some hundreds of dollars every year but never see a road? What a bloody rort, surely they could work out some sort of third party competition insurance and negate the rego.

GRPABT1 wrote:

Mick. wrote:Every comp truck is registered as a 4wd and requires engineers certificate and 3rd insurance as well and this includs all the 4wds that compete in Tuff Truck.

They are not registered as tractors like a lot of people seem to think.

Cheers Mick.

So you're telling me they all have a set of plates and pay some hundreds of dollars every year but never see a road? What a bloody rort, surely they could work out some sort of third party competition insurance and negate the rego.

the insurance would probably cost more than the rego.

depending on the comps you want to enter, will determine if it has to be engineered or not.Winch challenge im pretty shaw you need mod plates but fo rockcrawlling you don't.
Most 4x4 parks won't let you in if you don't have rego unless it is an event weekend and you are competing(usally outlaw class).
If i'm wrong someone will correct me.

just keep paying your rego(it sucks i know)

Coza

bogged wrote:

AcTioN13 wrote:i think the rego factor is to cover the insurance of the organisers. from what it know

I think you are right.

Ring your insurance company and ask them if your insurance is still valid while involved in a timed event.

sierrajim wrote:

bogged wrote:

AcTioN13 wrote:i think the rego factor is to cover the insurance of the organisers. from what it know

I think you are right.

Ring your insurance company and ask them if your insurance is still valid while involved in a timed event.

Its the TAC insurance that comes with the rego that pays out if you maim some poor bugger when you run him over

Not vehicle insurance with a seperate insurer

cloughy wrote:

sierrajim wrote:

bogged wrote:

AcTioN13 wrote:i think the rego factor is to cover the insurance of the organisers. from what it know

I think you are right.

Ring your insurance company and ask them if your insurance is still valid while involved in a timed event.

Its the TAC insurance that comes with the rego that pays out if you maim some poor bugger when you run him over

Not vehicle insurance with a seperate insurer

OK then, does someone have something is writing from the TAC stating that they will cover while the vehicle is being used in a timed event?

I tried to get it out of them years ago, the only difinitive answer i could get was that they cover vehicles ON PUBLIC ROADS.

sierrajim wrote:

cloughy wrote:

sierrajim wrote:

bogged wrote:

AcTioN13 wrote:i think the rego factor is to cover the insurance of the organisers. from what it know

I think you are right.

Ring your insurance company and ask them if your insurance is still valid while involved in a timed event.

Its the TAC insurance that comes with the rego that pays out if you maim some poor bugger when you run him over

Not vehicle insurance with a seperate insurer

OK then, does someone have something is writing from the TAC stating that they will cover while the vehicle is being used in a timed event?

I tried to get it out of them years ago, the only difinitive answer i could get was that they cover vehicles ON PUBLIC ROADS.

Fortunately TAC covers medical costs, for drink drivers, hoons, theives etc, non discrimanatory

but TAC doesn't cover you for timed events or motor sport

Differnt tack (keep in mind that I am not familiar with the comp scene when I ask this) but what about rally car rego?

Here in the ACT we have a scheme that allows you to register a Rally car without an engineers certificate. It is conditional, you must have a CAMS licence, the vehicle must meet basic roadworthy requirements for lighting, noise & heve no silly stuff like welded diffs or wheel studs. All other mods like roll cages & such need to be modified in accordance with the CAMS manual.

So what I am basically asking is that would a comp accept a car that has Rally rego (even though some mods are CAMS approved), no engineers certificate because that is not required by law for Rally Rego (trailered everywhere other than inbetween stages)? It would still have TPI (which is usually void when racing anyway) so the only thing it misse out on is the Engineering Certification.

What is the mob that regulates the 4WD comp scene? Are they assiciated with CAMS?

ok thanks guys ill try and talk to some at a comp or one of the competitors
tyson

Basically, the comp (winch/trials type event) scene isn't affiliated with CAMS, it's administrated by the CCDA - the cross country driver's association. These are the guys that write the regs for the comps.

It seems that the major work on the vehicles is expected to be certed but there's lots of stuff that isn't insisted on and isn't enforced - bead locks are a good example. There seems to be alot of leeway in this area - It seems to be a bit like what constitutes a "street" drag car. However, it will depend a lot on the comp you want to enter and what state it's being held in. I agree the best path is to visit a comp and talk to people.

Not all events are 100% on private property, and if you are driving on a public road your car will require reg (obviously)

Rally permits don't apply because of the lack of full CAMS affiliation.


Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:Basically, the comp (winch/trials type event) scene isn't affiliated with CAMS, it's administrated by the CCDA - the cross country driver's association. These are the guys that write the regs for the comps.

It seems that the major work on the vehicles is expected to be certed but there's lots of stuff that isn't insisted on and isn't enforced - bead locks are a good example. There seems to be alot of leeway in this area - It seems to be a bit like what constitutes a "street" drag car. However, it will depend a lot on the comp you want to enter and what state it's being held in. I agree the best path is to visit a comp and talk to people.

Not all events are 100% on private property, and if you are driving on a public road your car will require reg (obviously)

Rally permits don't apply because of the lack of full CAMS affiliation.


Steve.

I guess this leads me to the next question, how different are the rules between CAMS & the CCDA?

If the rules are similar & the truck can then be built to suit both rules (without the engineering cert because its not required by law) then would it then be allowable?

Just given the new NCOP regs for mods & other things this is where I would be looking first becuase then the mods would be more open for certian things thats all.

It would be worth a look, does the CCDA have a handbook like CAMS?

Yes, you might be able to build a car to meet both CAMS and CCDA without an eng cert, but I think it's highly unlikely. We're talking about a different type of car for a different type of event.

CAMS really only covers established classes of off road racing (like class 7 and class 8) and raid type events (aussie safari) where class 7 cars might be able to compete substantially unchanged but class 8 cars might not.

This is a long way from CCDA winch challenge type rules. CAMS has a handbook for pretty much every class of racing, from motorkhana to open wheelers.

I don't think you could build a decent class 7 or winch car without an engineers certificate if it needed reg, even within the NCOP.

CCDA's rules are on their website.

(I was involved with trying to get 4WD sport under the control of CAMS many years ago before the CCDA got rolling. It's not an easy path)

Steve.

Fair enough, as I said I dont know enough about the CCDA rules & it seemd like an option.

The problem with engineering certificates now is the NCOP, it has tightend the rules so much that the big lift & tyre sises required for a good comp truck are now out of the realms of a "roadworthy" vehicle.

Have the comps changed to suit this or is there a bit of a "blind eye" response to the list of mods on the cert vs what the actual truck is?

GRPABT1 wrote:

Mick. wrote:Every comp truck is registered as a 4wd and requires engineers certificate and 3rd insurance as well and this includs all the 4wds that compete in Tuff Truck.

They are not registered as tractors like a lot of people seem to think.

Cheers Mick.

So you're telling me they all have a set of plates and pay some hundreds of dollars every year but never see a road? What a bloody rort, surely they could work out some sort of third party competition insurance and negate the rego.

Yes thats correct. Mine is fully registered, insured etc and will only see about 3 comps a year and help out at charity events by taking kids around test tracks etc.

When i competed in Tuff Truck this year they knocked me back at scrutineering on my green slip because i payed over the Internet and didn't have a proper receipt. I had to drive into Singleton and get a proper copy.

Cheers Mick.