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hey guys wanting to know..
looking for some agresive tires.. (i know i know)
but i want somthing with some decent side biters..
i may even go to something like a TSL.. (actiualy leening towards them)
it will be in the 31" range...

any ideas?

Side wall tread or big outer lugs? Not alot in 31" has huge side biters like some comp tyres have. Simex ET's have some sidewall tread and big outer lugs.

mongrels. dont the 32s measure 31

goodyear wrangler mtz have nice side biters.

silverstones....

my cooper STTs fit that description roughly...

what surface is it intended for and what percentage of road use will it see???

it will be wheeled every weekend..
i would usualy jsut get mongrels.. but carnt get them
simex's are 2 expencive! (i havent checked for 31's but every thing elce they make is way over priced)
the silverstones look ok..
wranglers dont work to well in tassie..

BUT i haddnt thought of mtz's... may look in2 price..

alien how do u find your coopers?

eddit:

its for tassie.. so mud, slipery hills etc..
looking for something very agresive..
LTB or TSL's may get the ticket though... $$$ depending...

Baja Claws. Real agro tyres

I'm running these in a 29" in Tassie.



They cost around $150 a tyre. I've had them since January and there is bugger all wear - they look almost brand new.
They have a nice, open tread and even though the "side biters" are small, they work pretty well in the mud down here.
If you don't want to spend the dollars and go to Silverstones or something, then these may be the go

i've found the coopers to be great so far - dead quiet on the road, grip awesome on wet roads, definitely grip well on rock - i've done minor clay/mud stuff and they paddled through that fine (up to the diffs in mud/slush for a 50m stretch). They did seem to dig in to the bottom of the mud though, not float above it - which is what you want, unless the mud is really deep i spose =P but they cleaned themselves out almost instantly.

here's a pic on the zuk:

(^^ Thats after having the bonnet under water and in slush, driven about 50m from the mud and you can see how clear the tread is).


(^^ Good shot to show the sidewalls)

If your'e cheap definitely have a look at the the federal couragia's -they're probably the most aggressive cheap non remould available.

If you do lots of slick, greasy climbs, you won't beat centipedes or their copies.

As an all round offroad tyre- if you want a swamper, buy a swamper - you won't regret it.

If you want a cool alternative - have a look at simex MP trekker - a 7.50 16 version of the 'pede. These would be an amazingly sweet suzuki tyre- much better than a 10.5. (you'd need 16" rims though)

Steve.

david123 wrote:Baja Claws. Real agro tyres

Claws suck in clay or really sticky mud.

You want to climb greasy hills you can't go past Silverstone MT-117 Extreme's.


The only thing better than a MT-117 is a MT-117 beadlocked at 3psi.

do these things come in a 30

want33s wrote:

david123 wrote:Baja Claws. Real agro tyres

Claws suck in clay or really sticky mud.

You want to climb greasy hills you can't go past Silverstone MT-117 Extreme's.


The only thing better than a MT-117 is a MT-117 beadlocked at 3psi.

Thats interesting, they are sold as a muddy, but I have never used them in mud, just sand and rocks, and, at 5psi, I have never used better. No beadlocks.

As for clay, lol dunno ifn I wanna even think of that.

Knowing where you are, and what you drive in, I fully believe, trust me bout the sand but.

Claws are overrated.

They're not too bad when run backwards on the front (Mercedes new this in the 1950's- have a look at old unimogs) but they're stiff, noisy, and don't want to hook up IMHO.

No question, the pedes and their copies own slick clay type surfaces, not surprising, they were designed for winch challenge stuff, ad that's what the stages often comprise.

however, they're too bad on rock and in the dry to work as a recreational tyre. IMHO.

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:Claws are overrated.

They're not too bad when run backwards on the front (Mercedes new this in the 1950's- have a look at old unimogs) but they're stiff, noisy, and don't want to hook up IMHO.

No question, the pedes and their copies own slick clay type surfaces, not surprising, they were designed for winch challenge stuff, ad that's what the stages often comprise.

however, they're too bad on rock and in the dry to work as a recreational tyre. IMHO.

Steve.

Dunno how a tread shape like a claw/tractor could work backwards, seems like it would fill the tread and float to a standstill.

Had a look for early unimogs, see what they were doing, found this one, only one with this type of tyre, seems to be pretty much the way the things should be, not backwards.

http://www.redcougar.ca/images/Unimog-FireWood.jpg

David123, I believe you about claws in sand but they really suck in sticky stuff. They don't throw the mud out of the tread.
A 33" claw looks like a 36" iced donut out at Glasshouse in the wet.

My 117's grip sandstone and granite really well although I have Staun beadlocks and run 0-5psi.
They are better in the dry than the wet on rocks but what tyre isn't?
Even when wet I can get up slimy clay covered rock faces that hiluxes on MTR's & Patrols on MTZ's can't.

Gwagensteve wrote:
If you do lots of slick, greasy climbs, you won't beat centipedes or their copies.

As an all round offroad tyre- if you want a swamper, buy a swamper - you won't regret it.

Steve.

My 32 inch Pedes work really on the mud and rocks at 6psi, and are well worth the money ( although I got them 2nd hand )

How do the Q78's go on the rocks Steve ? I may be looking at upsizing next year but want to keep the tyres as narrow as possible which means they would be about the best option.

want33s wrote:David123, I believe you about claws in sand but they really suck in sticky stuff. They don't throw the mud out of the tread.
A 33" claw looks like a 36" iced donut out at Glasshouse in the wet.

My 117's grip sandstone and granite really well although I have Staun beadlocks and run 0-5psi.
They are better in the dry than the wet on rocks but what tyre isn't?
Even when wet I can get up slimy clay covered rock faces that hiluxes on MTR's & Patrols on MTZ's can't.

Mate, I do believe ya, trully, I love the glasshouse mountain area, my sister used to live up there, used to see her lots in those days hehe.

If I were to look for a muddy, Id look to a much wider tread pattern than claws, the bit of mud I see, when getn firewood, no drama with them. Up in Darwin, mud city, recon as id go to paddles.

want33s wrote:

david123 wrote:Baja Claws. Real agro tyres

Claws suck in clay or really sticky mud.

You want to climb greasy hills you can't go past Silverstone MT-117 Extreme's.


The only thing better than a MT-117 is a MT-117 beadlocked at 3psi.

do they come in 31?
if they do they will get the ticket!

edit
http://www.silverstone.com.my/tyre_mt117Xtreme_spec.asp
31x10.50-15LT 110L TL 8.5 7.0 - 9.0 268 781

will do some priceings tomorow..
i recon they are the go.. from memerty they are cheep as chips???

Go the LTB if they have em in 31. i gotem on my zook n work a treat

what u pay for ltb's?

DavePatrol wrote:do these things come in a 30

The 31" silverstone is basically a 30" the 33" is basically a 31"

GRPABT1 wrote:

DavePatrol wrote:do these things come in a 30

The 31" silverstone is basically a 30" the 33" is basically a 31"

the silverstone 33 measures up 32.5 inches.

joeblow wrote:

GRPABT1 wrote:

DavePatrol wrote:do these things come in a 30

The 31" silverstone is basically a 30" the 33" is basically a 31"

the silverstone 33 measures up 32.5 inches.

The new ones do.....
Mine say 33 on the sidewall but measure 31.5"

I run the 31x10.5 Silverstone Extremes.

They measure about 30.3" diameter not really a 31". But I knew this and am happy with it. They also do not measure the full 10.5" wide, being just under 10" wide.

I've just finished watching video footage of me driving on them recently, and it has become apparant to me that I need to let them down a bit more than 10psi, especially on the back (the front looked pretty close to right), they could bag out a little more.
Also they love to dig holes as soon as I lose traction, which can worsen the situation. Not a problem on a hard surface, but a PITA in dirt.
Once they start digging, the rocks tear away at the leading edge of the tread blocks (quite soft rubber).
From what I have gathered everytime I've lost traction it has not been due to the tyres, but because I have open diffs and popped a wheel up.

In general I'm very happy with the tyres, and for what they cost I don't think I could do any better. There may be better tyres for some applications around but I'd be paying significantly more dollars.

Yours rubbed on the WT springs at full lock didn't they Jas? What offset are your rims?

Highway-Star wrote:I run the 31x10.5 Silverstone Extremes.

They measure about 30.3" diameter not really a 31". But I knew this and am happy with it. They also do not measure the full 10.5" wide, being just under 10" wide.

I've just finished watching video footage of me driving on them recently, and it has become apparant to me that I need to let them down a bit more than 10psi, especially on the back (the front looked pretty close to right), they could bag out a little more.
Also they love to dig holes as soon as I lose traction, which can worsen the situation. Not a problem on a hard surface, but a PITA in dirt.
Once they start digging, the rocks tear away at the leading edge of the tread blocks (quite soft rubber).
From what I have gathered everytime I've lost traction it has not been due to the tyres, but because I have open diffs and popped a wheel up.

In general I'm very happy with the tyres, and for what they cost I don't think I could do any better. There may be better tyres for some applications around but I'd be paying significantly more dollars.

I had the 31" MT-117Ex as well and they were a fantastic tyre, B4T has them now and he loves them. They are really soft to start off with then harden up a bit with some use after 500km or so.

I used to run mine at 6psi, with two people and a load of spares in the back of my WT no worries.

federal couragias are a sweet cheap tyre as well.

problem is they are goin on a coily..
so dont wana push the buck to far..
i will ring up and get some prices latter today..
what did every one elce pay as a guide?

Claws suck balls. ET's are awsome in mud. Can comment on Silverstone.

I would go for TSL. Awsome alround tyre, kick ass on rocks, handle well in the mud and everything else you can chuck at it. Wish I could afford a set for the zuk.

Can anyone comment on the Maxxis trepadores??