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Have you noticed that to reach the fifth gear is a bit long? I actually have to lean forward a bit to reach the shift knob for that gear
Any ideas on how to get the shifting process to be shorter and faster

Move your seet forward!!!

get a body lift. shortens the shift a bit

GQ wrote:get a body lift. shortens the shift a bit

i think changes gears is better with a body lift, just my opinion though.

Body lift doe not affect gear throw one bit.
Bend lever rearwards if you need to.
Its no further forward than 1st or 3rd?

Bazzle

bazzle wrote:Body lift doe not affect gear throw one bit.
Bend lever rearwards if you need to.
Its no further forward than 1st or 3rd?

Bazzle

for mine it is not a far to change gears.

Problem is Bazzle, he's in Dubie so the steering wheel is on the wrong side. But 5th is in the usuall spot. The only way you are going to be able to do it is heat the shifter up and bend to where you want. But beware as it will make the other changes different also. It will move the top of the stick over which might make 1st to close to the steering wheel.

As for a body lift, stick appears shorter but has same throw.

get some longer arms

oxy heat the gearstick and have it bent towards you???

Tom

I didn't mean that way!
I meant that is there a way to make the shifting process shorter and faster
The reason is when I am in the desert climbing a 300 meter dune, I tend to loose power at a certain height there fore if I can shift faster this will avoid my GQ to loose momentum
I used to own a Honda Civic and I had shortened the shifting process which is important in street racing the distance of one gear to another is almost two inches which feels like a tiptronic

Phill wrote:I didn't mean that way!
I meant that is there a way to make the shifting process shorter and faster

Simply cutting the stick shorter will achieve that, but it might make it even harder to reach the knob.

Depends on where you sit and how long your arms are.

Bending and shortening it will make the throw smaller and hopefully move it all closer to you.

Or you could try an automatic transmission.

Hmmm... I know there are short-throw kits for supra gearboxes. I don't know how they work - some kinda linkages presumably - but I doubt they exist for a 4WD box anyway.

Jason

there are short shif kits avaliable for a large range of cars, but i dont think thy make em for 4bys as they arnt considred "performance" cars.

ozy1 wrote:there are short shif kits avaliable for a large range of cars, but i dont think thy make em for 4bys as they arnt considred "performance" cars.

Hmmm... thinking again, the top of a gearbox is often similar for different models by the same maker... and I don't think those kits go really deep into the transmission...

Soooooooo... might be worth investigating.

But you know one of the reasons a 4WD seems to have such a long throw is just the sheer length of the lever.

Jason

Phill wrote:The reason is when I am in the desert climbing a 300 meter dune, I tend to loose power at a certain height there fore if I can shift faster this will avoid my GQ to loose momentum

And your coming BACK from 5th

I seen to recall someone sayin that the GQ box was similar to the 300zx (Fairlady)?? I never seen either but if thats the case there would be some Jap tuning company that would do a kit for them.

Cheers

MQPatrol wrote:I seen to recall someone sayin that the GQ box was similar to the 300zx (Fairlady)?? I never seen either but if thats the case there would be some Jap tuning company that would do a kit for them.

Cheers

CLose, but not quite. the 300zx you are talkin about that is identical is out of the 2.8 turbo diesel patrols which have an alloy casing which makes them therfore lighter.

The 4.2 boxes are like 200 kgs plus and nothing alike compared to the 2.8's box.

Consult an engineer and ask him about modifyin the shifter to make it a short throw.

Other options are to discuss makin the box a sequential shifter. Not sure how it is done, but I know of some cars which have a kit built around it to allow it be shifted up and down like a ratchet??

Perhaps this might drum up some ideas at your end??

Tom

remove the G/shift lever form the g/box....
cut to the desired length....
rethread the end so the knob can be refitted....
refit G/shift to the g/box....
heat G/shift lever and bend slowly to desired position...
allow to cool before painting

should take under an hour


other way is to...







fit an automatic transmission

i cant remember, does the gear lever bolt in on the gq?

I went to the dealership in Dubai and the guy was like "WHAT?"
Any ways I dug through alot of websites and performance garages and came to the conclusion that a short shifter for the Nissan is not possible since the shifting sequence is direct and not through cables or rods like the small cars which have the gear box sitting in the engine compartment.
Now about changing to an Auto, "I DONT THINK SO" I hate those coz they weigh alot and are not very responsive as a manual and when you are desert driving or as we call Dune Bashing, any delay in your shifting sequence will result in getting you either stuck in sand or in alot of trouble

Phill wrote:Now about changing to an Auto, "I DONT THINK SO" I hate those coz they weigh alot and are not very responsive as a manual and when you are desert driving or as we call Dune Bashing, any delay in your shifting sequence will result in getting you either stuck in sand or in alot of trouble

Nissan auto is nearly 100kg lighter than the manual, and will change much quicker and smoother than you can with your manual...

to make a short throw shifter you machine a spacer to space the gearlever off the box and then extend the part of the lever that actually shifts the shift forks by the same amount.

This way you are increasing the leverage ratio, giving a much shorter throw.

turps wrote:Problem is Bazzle, he's in Dubie so the steering wheel is on the wrong side. But 5th is in the usuall spot. The only way you are going to be able to do it is heat the shifter up and bend to where you want. But beware as it will make the other changes different also. It will move the top of the stick over which might make 1st to close to the steering wheel.

As for a body lift, stick appears shorter but has same throw.

woohooo, i was waiting for someone to figure it out, 6 responses or so it took!!

Wendle wrote:

Phill wrote:Now about changing to an Auto, "I DONT THINK SO" I hate those coz they weigh alot and are not very responsive as a manual and when you are desert driving or as we call Dune Bashing, any delay in your shifting sequence will result in getting you either stuck in sand or in alot of trouble

Nissan auto is nearly 100kg lighter than the manual, and will change much quicker and smoother than you can with your manual...

Also the nissan auto is one step closer to bolting a VH45 in!!

M&M Custom Engineering wrote:to make a short throw shifter you machine a spacer to space the gearlever off the box and then extend the part of the lever that actually shifts the shift forks by the same amount.

This way you are increasing the leverage ratio, giving a much shorter throw.

Suddenly a light goes on... that's an approach I will keep in mind in future - simply moving the pivot point higher up.

Thanks.

Jason

And I doubt physically tring to move gear fork faster will allow the gears to go in quicker due to design of gearset. It is a truck box not a lightweight Ricer.....
Also many people race Nissans trucks and this is the 1st time Ive ever seen this posted, maybe his syncros are slow.
A Nissan auto with a shift kit is one smooth box (christie bros)
Ive driven auto fast on sand and it stirred beautifully, better than any manual Ive driven when needing to change down when boggin in....

Bazzle

just checked with the weights and guys I am talking about the TB42 and not the Diesel version of the GQ.
The auto gear box is alot bigger and weighs more then the manual and the my syncros are not slow.
To put this in a better way
Lets say you need to climb a 60 degrees sand dune which is 250 meters high and as you are getting the momentum you are on the third gear then as you are going higher you require to shift down to the second and later to the first gear to get more power out of the car since your momentum is no more and you need to rely on the torque
In this case the Auto will not be reliable as the gear will not shift down if you have a high RPM but with a manual you can because you are the one controlling the gears.
The reason I was asking about a short throw shifter is because while you are shifting from 2nd to 1st it would be great to have it done faster that is all
But I dont think it can be done so I will probably fit the damn thing with NOS

Take a look at the videos on this site http://www.almr3b.com/en/index.html

And the pictures here
http://www.almr3b.com/images/race7/car/caren.htm

Phill wrote:just checked with the weights and guys I am talking about the TB42 and not the Diesel version of the GQ.
The auto gear box is alot bigger and weighs more then the manual and the my syncros are not slow.

maybe it is different in your country, but here the TB42 petrol and the TD42 diesel use the same 235kg manual 5-speed. our auto is definitely smaller and lighter..